20160614 arb minutes

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ARB - Meeting (Date in Title)


  1. Call to order
  2. Roll Call
  3. Approval of Agenda and Minutes
  4. Management
  5. Governance
  6. Methodology (60 minutes)
    1. ISM usage
  7. Other business and planning
  8. Adjournment

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Telcon

Date: 20160614
Time: 4:00pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Julian, Tony Note taker(s) Julian, Tony
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
. Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
. Hufnagel, Steve ?????
X Hyland, Mario AEGIS
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
X Knapp, Paul Pknapp Consulting
X Kubick, Wayne HL7 CTO
. Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
. Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Milosevic, Zoran Deontik Pty Ltd
X Stechishin,Andy CANA Software and Service Ltd.
. Nelson, Dale Accenture
. Grow, Richard U.S. Department of Veterans affairs
X Present
. Absent
R Regrets
Quorum Requirements (Co-chair + 3) Met: Yes


  1. Approval of Agenda and Minutes
    • Motion to approve as captured(Lorraine/Andy B)
    • Vote 2-0-3
  2. Management
  3. Governance
  4. Methodology (60 minutes)
    • ISM:
      • Task Definition: Standards Governance Board Montreal WGM Minutes
        • Would be good to have ISM guide by September; ARB will be tasked with creation. ARB will need to analyze what’s on their plate and prioritize.
        • 2) Product families shall define where in the canonical ISM (Interoperability Specification Matrix) grid their artifacts exist;
      • Scope
      • What artifacts for each cell?
      • How do we go about doing an implementation guide for SAIF?
      • None of the existing sources is an answer - just provide a starting place.
      • Problem: Groups are trying to get their head around applying their artifacts to the ISM.
      • How do I apply the ISM of the SAIF framework to the work I am doing?
      • Broader - requires the semantics of the SAIF.
      • Explain the ISM: definitions:
      • Check for NCI implementation Guide on NCI wiki.
      • There is diversity of understanding as what to consent is:
        • Some think it is information only, others things like participation in a clinical trial
        • People are confusing the information model of the consent with the minimalization of the consent: Minimal goes in a registry.
        • There is a resource called Contract which appears to also model consent: The contract is only usable when the parties recognize and agree to it.
        • Cbcc was looking for a consent resource: Initially information consent - an electronic consent. Plan was to create a resource which is a full model, that can be constrained to the desired purpose. When they started doing that they found that Contract contained most of the structure they need. People found it overly confusing, wanted an individual resource.
    • Talk to the TSC - where did the requirement come from. Refer to https://www.dropbox.com/s/opecncp0lv5p7tm/SAIF2.00_pdf_b008_20110303.pdf?dl=0
  5. Adjourned at 5:00pm Eastern

Tony Julian (talk) 09:28, 15 June 2016 (EDT)