20160607 arb minutes

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Agenda

1. Call to order
2. Roll Call
3. Approval of Agenda and May 31, 2016 Minutes
4. Governance
5. Methodology (60 minutes)
   • CIMI Proof of concept
     • Is this a new product? Family? Where does it fit?
6. Other business and planning
7. Adjournment

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes Location: Telcon		Date: 20160531 Time: 4:00pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator	Julian, Tony	Note taker(s)	Julian, Tony
Attendee	Name	Affiliation
X	Bond,Andy	NEHTA
X	Constable, Lorraine	Constable Consulting Inc.
R	Dagnall, Bo	HP Enterprise Services
.	Hufnagel, Steve	?????
.	Hyland, Mario	AEGIS
X	Julian, Tony	Mayo Clinic
.	Knapp, Paul	Pknapp Consulting
X	Kubick, Wayne	HL7 CTO
X	Loyd, Patrick	ICode Solutions
.	Lynch, Cecil	Accenture
R	Milosevic, Zoran	Deontik Pty Ltd
X	Stechishin,Andy	CANA Software and Service Ltd.
Guests
X	Solbrig, Harold	Mayo Clinic
X	Lyle, Jay	Ockham Information Services LLC
X	Fisher, Karl	Dell Services
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Legend
X	Present
.	Absent
R	Regrets
Quorum Requirements (Co-chair + 3) Met: Yes

Minutes

1. Agenda approval
   • Agenda approved by concensus
2. Minute Approval
   • Motion to approve (Andy/Andy B)
   • Vote 4-0-3
3. Methodology (60 minutes)
   • CIMI Proof of concept
     • Jay Lyle: Not a product - product models and other discoveries.
     • Lorraine: It is not clear if it is a mapping artifact, new models - what are the actual artifacts.
     • Jay Lyle: New artifacts
     • Wayne: Checkbox for logical models
     • Lorraine: Not the same as the traditional HL7 Logical models
     • Jay Lyle: Not sure what Logical Models means:
     • Wayne: Lots of models.
     • Harold: General sense they are logical models. Rest of products have formal meaning and definition.
     • Tony: New product?
     • Harold: Not new to us - new from the HL7 Perspective
     • Jay Lyle: New product, but not new product definition. An artifact that defines what a CIMI definition is.
     • Andy S: CQL is a new product.
     • Lorraine: Subject to ARB review. So we don't proliferate what we have already done.
     • Lorraine: The product is not new to CIMI, but to HL7.
     • Jay Lyle: Good question.
     • Andy S: That is what we are all struggling with.
     • Jay Lyle: If there is not an old project model then it is a new one. Doing it now but not as a project.
     • Lorraine: This project is part of doing that definition. Granularity level of existing models is not the same as the level of the CIMI models.
     • Jay Lyle: Just seeing what fits together.
     • Lorraine: If we said it was a new product what actions does that decision drive?
     • Jay Lyle: I don't have scope or authority to define CIMI within the scope of the project. Should have a discussion between ARB/CIMI/MnM.
     • Andy B: Is a collection of logical models a new product family? It is work to create a collection, not a single model. This may be a product family. In effect the CIMI logical models are part of an independent product line.
     • Jay Lyle: Not product definitions.
     • Andy B: Instance of a models
     • Jay Lyle: Collection of models.
     • Andy B: Hard to not call it a product family - covers a range of product lines - vertical domain of use in healthcare. Look across pathology ordering the dam is a product in a product line, but V2, V3, FHIR are product families. CIMI represents a family of logical models.
     • Jay Lyle: Bits of a DAM coordinates into a single model not decomposed is it not a family?
     • Andy B: Not a single model, but a SET that covers various dams.
     • Harold: Single or set is open to interpretation. If based on the same model there are branches, so is it one or many?
     • Andy B: Same with FHIR - Individual resources, or a collection.
     • Harold: Different Granularity.
     • Jay Lyle: CDA is a product family, implied from implementation guides.
     • Andy B: CDA product is definition of an IG as a product, CDA is a collection of prod based on a product definition. A single CIMI model is a new product - another kind of logical model, but this is a disservice - it is not really another kind of logical model. New product family with the expectation that there would be multiple instances under the family.
     • Jay Lyle: My charge is to develop a new Instance.
     • Tony: Further questions?
     • Lorraine:
       • If not a new product, we are done.
       • How interested is ARB in following the work - how it fits with the rest of the artifacts.
     • Harold: Trying to figure out how it fits - part of our goal.
     • Jay Lyle: Should we check investigative?
     • Lorraine: That does not trigger our review.
     • Andy S: We should follow what the project does. I think it is a new product, if not a new product family. Merging something from the outside we need to evaluate how it fits in and what it does. This project should not answer the question.
     • Motion ARB be co-sponsor of the project, with periodic reports on progress what they are doing and where they are going. To develop a better understanding how the CIMI artifacts integrate with the current products and families. (Lorraine/Paul)
     • Andy B: Need to look at how we integrate new work groups - need to discuss with TSC, PLA, and PIC.
     • Vote (4-0-0)
     • Jay Lyle: How periodic should the updates be?
     • Lorraine: At the major points in the project.
4. Other business and planning
   • Tony will forward to TSC with recommendation from ARB for approval.
   • Next Week: ISM
5. Adjournment
   • Adjourned at 16:40, 7 June 2016 (EDT)

(talk) 16:48, 7 June 2016 (EDT)