2014-01-21 PA WGM Minutes
Patient Administration WG Minutes - Tuesday January 21, 2014
Tuesday Q1
| HL7 Patient Administration Meeting Minutes Location: |
Date: 2014-01-21 Time: Tuesday Q1 | ||
| Facilitator | Irma Jongeneel | Note taker | Alex de Leon |
| Attendee | Name | Affiliation | |
| X | Irma Jongeneel | ||
| X | Line Saele | HL7 Norway | |
| X | Steve Fine | Cerner, USA | |
| X | Alex de Leon | Kaiser Permanente | |
| X | Lloyd McKenzie | HL7 Canada | |
| X | Rene Spronk | Ringholm | |
| X | Rik Smithies | HL7 UK | |
| X | Iryna Roy | Gordon Point Informatics | |
| X | Po Yam Lee | IHIS | |
| X | Joon Hyun Song | IHIS | |
| X | Douy Il Jeomy | IHIS | |
| X | Robert Worden | HL7 UK | |
| X | Brian Postlethwaite | HL7 Australia | |
| Quorum Requirements Met (Chair + 2 members): Yes | |||
Agenda
Agenda Topics
- V3 FHIR Comment Ballot Reconciliation
Supporting Documents
Minutes
Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
FHIR
QA one item having to do with Location resource
Telecom defined as 0..1. Comment is about changing this to 0..*. Examples will be added. Description will change to support the change in cardinality.
This lead to a discussion as to whether the address cardinality which is now 0..1 should also be changed. The WG discussed this and found that the definition on this resource shows it to be the physical location however, the datatype of “address” shows this to be a postal address. After discussion, the group decided to keep the cardinality of address to 0..1. He will note that this is a known issue to be taken care of after publication.
Iryna moves to change the cardinality of Location telecom attribute. Line seconds
Vote: 10/0/1
Lloyd continued with thanking and congratulating the PA group for working diligently to develop FHIR resources within its domain, noting that we are one of the very few groups that have started to work to develop resources on their own.
Episode of care should be joint with patient care, however, it may be that PA will lead the effort for development of this resource. Along with the 4 appointment related resource and the healthcare services resource, this would be 6 total for FHIR work moving forward.
Irma noted that there may be more for financial management: claim, account, coverage.
Lloyd said that the FHIR management group is expecting that next steps should include review of already developed resources to assure all resource relationships and attributes are covered. This effort should include further examples as well as failure examples to test the constraints. Also the groups should look at the attribute order to support implementation as well as support consistency. Whether in a document or a wiki page, the FHIR management group will provide these criteria so that the work groups can assess their resources against these criteria.
Irma asked how feedback would be provided by implementers for FHIR. Lloyd answered that the discussion widget that has been used in the development of the resources will be used for capturing feedback. One or more PA members should subscribe to the tracker. GFORGE will have a change request incorporated with the tracker.
Irma asked about the feedback, not only of issues, but of things that are working well, or items that perhaps were included in a resource based on the 80%, but are subsequently not being used. Lloyd responded that the FHIR management group will be providing metrics that will expose usage of attributes and such.
Alex asked about the mechanisms for signing up to tracking and following the feedback discussions. Lloyd noted that the FHIR management group will provide guidance on WG review and tracking points and how and when to subscribe to the mechanisms needed to address feedback. Discussion tracker and GFORGE (bug) tracker.
Profiles
The FHIR management group will provide the editing tool for profile.
Quality metrics will be provided end of Feb beginning of March. A review of the PA WG resources is expected for Sept WGM. Final QA and ballot is targeted for January ballot cycle.
Lloyd mentioned that directions for monitoring will most likely be provided before metrics are provided to allow the work group to stay on track with the timelines.
The FHIR management group will be monitoring the discussions and GFORGE tracker to assure that the groups are responding.
One objective for January DSTU is to have profiles in place for CCDA. Since we are not orders and observations, we will probably need to provide only one for each used. PA might think about other profiles that could come out of the group for existing specifications.
In considering working on profiles, the group should consider if the profile will be used in the next year or two.
Lloyd described 3 “levels” of profile submission to HL7:
- Profile with extension “published” via HL7 methods.
- Profile with extensions published, etc., and reviewed and endorsed by the appropriate work group(s)
- Profiles with extensions reviewed and endorsed by appropriate work group(s) and balloted.
Rick asked about the direction above and whether this will be written and communicated so that “official” extensions will be known.
Schedule for inclusion of the FHIR Management Group will lessen, however Lloyd noted that they will still be available.
Irma asked about FHIR implementers who are present and what their work might be at this time. Cerner is in the exploratory stage. Lloyd will be implementing using patient, but as a study subject. Maybe Encounter. Robert Wording from the UK might be using patient and appointment resources. Brian working on appointments, patient, location organization and practitioner. Kaiser is working on a lab result message to map from v2 to FHIR messaging. Rick is working on mapping lab messaging to a shared format, which is considering FHIR. Iryna like Irma’s connection to fhir is mainly during the calls and specification. Line has also been working on the development of FHIR specification but has noted that there is interest in FHIR work within Norway so is expecting uptake very shortly.
Lloyd noted one more request.
The encounter.location.period is currently 1..1. period of time that the patient was at that location. Should be reviewed with the intention of not making it required.
The WG continued with the review of the appointment related resources.
Specifically, we reviewed the Availability resource.
Based on the discussion yesterday:
- Type is now 0…*
- Authored date to lastModifiedDate
The WG reviewed the reference to a resource for the Availability.individual. Ewout noted that this can be extended to include other. Otherwise, there is a method of extending since every element is extensible, but you might have. After discussion, the WG felt it best to use Any for the resource reference to allow use of any defined resource. Irma asked if you could use Other. Ewout and Brian responded that Other is a specific resource rather than using any which would allow the use of any resource, including the Other resource. The metrics will help show what is actually being used during the DSTU period.
There was a comment regarding the identifier which is now 0..*. Should this be mandatory. The comment seems to ask for it to be 0..1.
Slots
WG reviewed this resource which is the bookable unit of time. Subdivisions of time can be handled by business rules within the applications. Irma noted that this should be included in the description to help implementers.
Slot.freeBusyType Codes
The WG reviewed the freeBusyType attribute which have the codes:
- Busy
- Free
- Busy-Tentative
- Busy-Unavailable
After discussion, it was decided to leave these codes as is, but add an attribute to flag “overbooked” to answer the use case wherein a user has tried to book fee slots, but then tried to book slots that allow to be overbooked or a tentative slot that is now available. Author attribute removed from the slot and authorDate changed to last modified date. The WG discussed the workflow of appointments. Addressing – find resource or resource type to book Check availabilities (optional) Request
- appointment plus participants in system A (pending status)
- appointment for each participant in each of their appropriate systems (linking back to the original appointment – for replies)
Reply
- Update MY appointment with accepted, and reply to requester with acceptance status (or reject if desired).
- Organize checks the status of all responses and renegotiates if needed.
At this point the WG adjourned for lunch.
Meeting Outcomes
| Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
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Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items
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Tuesday Q2
| HL7 Patient Administration Meeting Minutes Location: Room #1301 |
Date: 2014-01-21 Time: Tuesday Q2 | ||
| Facilitator | Irma Jongeneel | Scribe | Alex de Leon |
| Attendee | Name | Affiliation | |
| X | Line Saele | HL7 Norway | |
| X | Irma Jongeneel | HL7 Netherlands | |
| X | Ewout Kramer | Furore | |
| X | Micheal Steine | BT | |
| X | Robert Worden | HL7 UK | |
| X | Alex de Leon | Kaiser Permanente | |
| X | Brian Postlethwaite | PCA eHealth, Australia | |
| X | Christian Hay | HL7 GS1 | |
| X | Alexander Henket | HL7 Netherlands | |
| X | Do Youn Lee | IHIS | |
| X | Joon Hyun Song | IHIS | |
| X | Dont Il Jeong | IHIS | |
| Quorum Requirements Met (Chair + 2 members): Y | |||
Agenda
Agenda Topics
- V3 FHIR Comment Ballot Reconciliation
Supporting Documents
Minutes
Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
Brian moved to change location.period from 1…1 to 0..1. Alexander Henket seconded.
Discussion: none
Vote: 11/0/0
Meeting Outcomes
| Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
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Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items
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Tuesday Q3
| HL7 Patient Administration Meeting Minutes Location: Room #1301 |
Date: 2014-01-21 Time: Tuesday Q3 | ||
| Facilitator | Irma Jongeneel | Scribe | Alex de Leon |
| Attendee | Name | Affiliation | |
| X | Line Saele | HL7 Norway | |
| X | Irma Jongeneel | HL7 Netherlands | |
| X | Brian Postlethwaite | HL7 Canada | |
| X | Micheil Steine | BT | |
| X | Rene Spronk | Ringholm | |
| X | Pal Espen Reinertsen | Helse Vest IKT, Norway | |
| X | Marius Wefring | Helse Vest IKT, Norway | |
| X | Elisabeth Moldehlev | Helse Vest IKT, Norway | |
| X | Christian Hay | GS1 | |
| X | Robert Worden | HL7 UK | |
| X | Alex de Leon | Kaiser Permanente | |
| X | Iryna Roy | Gordon Point Informatics, Canada | |
| X | Steinan Sandirk | Helse Vest IKT, Norway | |
| Quorum Requirements Met (Chair + 2 members): Yes | |||
Agenda
Agenda Topics
- FHIR Discussion - Next Steps
Supporting Documents
Minutes
Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
Introductions.
The WG continued with the appointment resource content.
Line brought up the idea that in an appointment always has a participant but the participant class cardinality is currently 0..*. After discussion, it seems that there is no use case in which there is no participants for an appointment. This will be changed to 1..*.
Appointment.priority – meant to convey order, not necessarily importance in case there are more than one appointment for the same patient.
Appointment.status bindings are to v3. The WG looked at the v2 codes in user defined table 0278 (filler status code). The decision of the WG is to use the v2 codes except for blocked instead of the v3 codes.
Appointment.schedule this is meant to represent repetition. This will be changed to recurrence retaining the datatype of schedule (which is what FHIR chose to call a recurring value). New property for recurrence reference and an appointment #. The WG continued with the very complex issue of recurring appointments. The WG considered the possibility of removing this, however decided to table this until a later discussion.
Appointment.slot. After the discussion, it seems that this should be moved to the participant. So, this will be done.
As a side discussion, it was noted that individual is 0..* within the participant which is also 0..*. Brian noted that the individual should be 0..1.
Appointment.Participant.individual will include “any” as a choice.
This lead to a discussion around how the participant and individual should be modeled.
The WG decided to remove the observation from Appointment.Participant
Appointment.recorder changed to lastModifiedBy
Appointment.recordedDate changed to lastModifiedDate
Meeting Outcomes
Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
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Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items
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Tuesday Q4
| HL7 Patient Administration Meeting Minutes Location: Room# 2761 |
Date: 2014-01-21 Time: Tuesday Q4 | ||
| Facilitator | Irma Jongeneel| width="25%" colspan="1" align="right"|Scribe | Alex de Leon | |
| Attendee | Name | Affiliation | |
| X | Line Saele | HL7 Norway | |
| X | Irma Jongeneel | HL7 Netherlands | |
| X | Brian Postlethwaite | DCA eHealth, Australia | |
| X | Michael Steine | BT | |
| X | Alex de Leon | Kaiser Permanente, USA | |
| X | Hugh Glover | Blue Wave Informatics, UK | |
| X | Christain Hay | GS1 | |
| Quorum Requirements Met (Chair + 2 members): Yes | |||
Agenda
Agenda Topics
- FHIR
Supporting Documents
Minutes
Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
The WG continued the discussion to update Hugh Glover, as our FHIR facilitator. As we did this, we discussed the use of the term Schedule which has been used in the work on the medication resource elements within the Pharmacy Work Group. This lead to a decision on whether the availability should be called “resourceSchedule” or “appointmentSchedule”.
The WG continued to examine the attributes as they currently defined. One outcome was to change the term of “period” to “planningHorizon”.
Back to the terminology, Hugh offered to present this to the FHIR Management Group and present both sides to see what they opinions there are.
After much discussion, the WG decided to keep the Availability, Appointment and Slot names and have a heading within the FHIR website that shows that these resources are part of the “Scheduling” activity.
The WG was advised by Hugh that we need to complete the appropriate paperwork to create the resources we were have been working on.
The WG adjourned at 4:51.
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