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ARB - Meeting (Date in Title)


  1. Call to order
  2. Roll Call
  3. Approval of Agenda
  4. Approval of Previous Minutes
  5. Recap of Sunday BAM meeting
  6. Other business and planning
    1. Agenda Planning: Phoenix WGM
  7. Adjournment

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Telcon

Date: 20121220
Time: 4:00pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Charlie Mead Note taker(s) Julian, Tony
Attendee Name Affiliation
. Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
X Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
. Grieve, Grahame Health Intersections Pty Ltd
. Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
. Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
X Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
X Milosevic, Zoran Deontik Pty Ltd
R Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Guests
X Kreisler, Austin HL7 TSC Chair
X Shakir, Abdul Malik City of Hope National Medical Center
. Legend
X Present
. Absent
R Regrets
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes


  1. Approval of Minutes/Agenda
    1. Motion to approve(Zoran/Tony)
    2. Vote 6-0-1
  2. SOA charter
    1. Charlie: TSC Discussion about SOA charter missing references to SAIF. TSC did not have discussion of TSC recommendation that all Mission and Charters should be cast in light of SAIF.
  3. Recap of BAM session on Sunday:
    1. Bo:
      1. Worked for 8 hours, 1 hour on call. Took six of the twelve steps modeled in EA following the BAM meta-model. Did not complete all models, just one of the six. The other five will go faster. Finished step 0, determination of a product/product line. There are two important views, semantically consistent. One is UML/Sequence diagram using actors as swimlanes. In addition, a need to have a single picture that shows all of the bits and pieces and the relationships. Includes actors, events, roles, processes as classes.
      2. Singleview shows the traceability to the bam meta-model. Real value was discussion, and discovery. Sent out updated BAM. In the end we want to do like the rim: Have parties, roles, relationships. There is a desire to demostrate how this works within the Governance/Management/Methodology(GMM). Added type attribute to each class: GMM. There are two dimensions to GMM- one when establishing criteria, one when practicing the methodology. Most of the raw data is more in line with practitioners, not with definition, except in methodology.
    2. Charlie: next steps - on Saturday in Phoenix? or before then.
    3. Bo: AbdulMalik and I and others had the discovery/thought process together. A modeling session on Saturday is in order. Each should read the document, and review the model.
    4. Charlie: Fair to ask everyone to read the documents - especially if they will attend on Saturday in Phoenix. Next steps in Phoenix.
    5. AbdulMalik: Between now and Phoenix will be polishing the model. The model forces rigor that the spreadsheet does not. If we contnue with the spreadsheet it will need more rigor.
    6. Charlie:What is it that the imput to the model will look like going forward? If a spreadsheet, will take work to formalize the spreadsheet. Or the format could be expressed in activity diagrAbdulMalik, etc.
    7. Austin: More people can manage the spreadsheet - just need to add rigor to the spreadsheet. Few deal with technical aspects of modeling.
    8. Charlie: Spreadsheet will require that someone teases out the content into the business model. Thanks to all who participated.
    9. Austin: So you had aha moments that will help you deal with this.
    10. Bo: Spent 20% of our time creating 80% of the model.
    11. Austin: If it was FHIR you would be done after the 80%.
    12. AbdulMalik: Should produce a profile for creating the one-page. Some of the sterotypes had aspects that need to be captured as tag values.
    13. Charlie: Maybe an intermediate between a spreadsheet and a UML model.
    14. Bo: Maybe next week
  4. Next meeting is January 3, 2013.
  5. Adjournment at 4:30 PM Eastern