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Agenda

  1. Call to order
  2. Approval of Agenda
  3. approval of August 11, 2011 Minutes
  4. SAIF CD
  5. San Diego Agenda
    1. Meeting at a glance
    2. Detailed Agenda
  6. Meet 9/1/2011?
  7. Meet 9/8/2011?
  8. Other business and planning for next meeting
  9. Adjournment

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Telcon

Date: 20110825
Time: 4:00pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Ron Parker Note taker(s) Tony Julian
Attendee Name Affiliation
. Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
. Grieve, Grahame Kestral Computing
X Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
. Koisch, John Guidewire Architecture
. Loyd, Patrick Gordon point Informatics LTD.
X Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
. Ocasio, Wendell Agilex Technologies
X Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
. Guests
X Luthra, Anil NCI
. Laskso, Lynn HL7 Staff
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes

  1. Meeting was called to order at 4:05pm U.S. Eastern
  2. Approval of Agenda
  3. approval of August 11, 2011 Minutes
    1. Change Cecil's affiliation to Accenture
  4. SAIF CD
    1. Charlie: Ann has been superficially through the document. Has been through the core chapters: has signed off on ECCF and BF. The Interoperability framework needs to be a separate chapter, Interoperability Specification Matrix. BF is fixable, but John cant do it. Zoran and Charlie are going to try to do by monday. Ann will come back combining executive summary and introduction. She does not like the concept maps - but agreed to leave them in. She has signed off on IF with a few tweaks from Cecil. She sends back her work, Charlie tweaks, sends back, and she agrees. Charlie will send current working draft on Monday. Some things have been clarified. Shared purpose is a good substitute for WI.
    2. Ron:There has been a huge hurry-up. What does it mean? Do we need to share soon?
    3. Charlie: If I can get the document by tuesday, we can cycle 1 week, and take to TSC on Saturday- and file the paperwork - that would make the TSC happy. TSC will be disapointed if we leave SanDiego without it.
    4. Ron: Having provided something, do we need to do something with it at this meeting? Is this a focal point for san-diego?
    5. Charlie: We have two things to do
      1. Internal to us, understand what changes/additions we need to make for ANSI ballot. We MUST have ANSI conformance statements.
      2. External: We need to get engaged with HL7 IG project, to make sure they will still be compliant.
      3. Steve: OASIS should be a discussion item, and socialize SAIFCD with Work Groups. The OASIS item needs to be answered.
      4. Charlie: I have e-mailed John to suggest we connect sooner rather than later, as well as Thomas Erl.
      5. Ron: Discuss OASIS at the next weeks call.
      6. Jane: I postponed the issue while working on the IG. I think I know how to marry GF with the BF once you cross the boundaries. I dont have any other things to report. Security Cookbook proponent(John Moehrke) will expand scope to patient safety - will be a point of connection at the artifact definition level.
      7. Ron:Security is a good touch point, we need to hear from others to see what is going on. Our responsibility is to shift to helping the organization.
      8. Charlie: We need to turn into a DSTU. We need to make sure people are using it. From the TSC perspective we must address the ballot comments. It is not as usuable as it should be, so it still needs some work.
      9. Ron: We will have engagement with the BF.
      10. Charlie: There are a couple of things that will make the BF better:
        1. Aligning the GF with the BF will help - the agreements are manifested at the technology layer
        2. There are things in the BF that are needed in the IG, but need not to be in the BF. Zoran has gotten John to align with ODP. It is closer than we have ever been. Zoran and I will tweak it.
      11. Jane: We better be aware of the fresh look stuff. We should take his RDF and map it against the SAIF CD to see if we will discover anything.
      12. Charlie: I think it aligns with SAIF.
      13. Jane: Because there is a lot of traffic about it, it will be a hot topic. We can say it is aligned and of value.
      14. Cecil: I agree with Charlie - in fact, the main thing the proposal is about is a way to describe extension by specilization instead of constraint.
      15. Jane: The simplified ITS - where does SAIF talk about that- is in the description of the dimensions - separation of the semantics from the wire.
      16. Cecil: There is a bit more - there are several quarters that will be looking at that. I will be demonstrating OWL.
      17. Jane: What sessions?
      18. Cecil: Meetings will be discussed third quarter. The idea of where schema lives will be a discussion. Schema/Schematron goes away on the semantics.
      19. Jane: Interesting excercise. What is the story with templates? We need to understand it.
      20. Cecil: We do templates, but we do them differently.
      21. Jane:ArB needs to assure coherence across the groups solving problems.
      22. Ron: I see significant pieces of work going forward.
  5. San Diego Agenda
    1. Meeting at a glance
    2. Detailed Agenda
      1. Add SAIF IG Definition to Sunday Q1
      2. Change Sunday Q2 to OASIS
      3. Ron: What should we do? Powerpoints?
      4. Steve: Executive summary
      5. Jane: Risk assessment
      6. Steve: RASCI
      7. Jane: RASCI after Risk
      8. Cecil: I know the Detailed Clinical Models
      9. Steve: Stan is trying to create a concensus of DCM's.
      10. Charlie:What is the ArBs relationship to the DCM's.
      11. Cecil: They play a role in the fresh-look. Grahame is doing a lot. There is a ton of traffic on the listservs - pushing the semantics to OWL. We need to have a good finger on the pulse of where that is going. It is hard to know where the DCM's will fit. There is a lot of work with Intermountain/GE converting the DCM's into OWL. We will have to address Senmantic Web information modeling.
      12. Ron: DCM - there is a growing feeling that definitive content definition is not in HL7, HL7 will support payload/context.
      13. Cecil: It is not a straight-forward process. It is not a simple transformation as the open-ehr people think.
      14. Jane: I have a table of stakeholders I will send out. You walk backwards from what is the purpose of interoperability communication - we deal only with who shows up and what they are interested in.
      15. Ron: I dont like calling it the SAIF architecture. SAIF is related, but it is the HL7 Archetecture program. We should suggest the name change at the TSC on Saturday.
      16. Jane: We should show up- I can let everyone know next week what the expectation is for Wednesday Q4.
  6. Meet 9/1/2011 Yes - OASIS/SAIF CD
  7. Meet 9/8/2011?
  8. Other business and planning for next meeting
  9. Adjournment
    1. Meeting adjourned at 5:00pm U.S. Eastern

Tony Julian 21:00, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

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