20110910 arb WGM SanDiego Minutes

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Detailed Agenda

1. Sunday Q1
   1. Call to order
   2. Agenda and Minute approval
   3. Saif Canonical
      1. Who is the audience? Grade 5-8?
   4. Compliant SAIF IG definition
      1. What do we need to add to make ANSI DSTU?
2. Sunday Q2
   1. Call to order
   2. OASIS Read the document in advance, so we can comment.
3. Sunday Q3
   1. Call to order
   2. Saif Canonical
      1. Risk Assessment
      2. RASCI
4. Tuesday Q4
   1. Call to order
   2. TBD
5. Wednesday Q4
   1. Not-saif architecture program
6. Thursday Q3
   1. Call to order
   2. Arb members
   3. TBD
7. Thursday Q4
   1. Call to order
   2. Wrap up
   3. Agenda for future Telcons, etc.

Minutes Q1

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes Location: SanDiego WGM		Date: 20110911 Time: 9:00am U.S. Pacific
Facilitator	Charlie Mead	Note taker(s)	Tony Julian
Attendee	Name	Affiliation
X	Bond,Andy	NEHTA
X	Curry, Jane	Health Information Strategies
X	Grieve, Grahame	Kestral Computing
X	Hufnagel, Steve	U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X	Julian, Tony	Mayo Clinic
.	Koisch, John	Guidewire Architecture
X	Loyd, Patrick	Gordon point Informatics LTD.
X	Lynch, Cecil	Accenture
X	Mead, Charlie	National Cancer Institute
.	Ocasio, Wendell	Agilex Technologies
X	Parker, Ron	CA Infoway
.	Quinn, John	Health Level Seven, Inc.
.	Milosevic, Zoran	NEHTA
.	Guests
X	Constable, Lorraine	Constable Consulting
X	Dagnall, Bo	HP Enterprise Services
X	Duteau, Jean	Gordon Pointe Informatics
X	McKenzie, Lloyd	Gordon Pointe Informatics
X	Stechishin, Andy	CANA Software
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes

1. Charlie: TSC is anxious to get V1 SAIF-CD which we defined in Orlando to be re-written text addressing ballot concerns. The push has been to get a document we can present to the TSC to be published. There have been several revisions, with input from Ann Wiley, the technical editor for the NCI, who volunteered time. We have re-written and re-organized - after going through the ballot comments in Orlando, which we have addressed. The comments for the most part were focused on the IF as being too HL7 specific, and lack of understanding of the BF and it's application. I went through the document, and took all of the concept maps, and UML diagrams, and put into slided, plus a couple of other graphics, which I walked through with the TSC. There are still some remaining issues in the IF, which Cecil and Grahame can resolve, with issues in the BF which Wendell can resolve.
2. Charlie: I would like to go through the concept maps with the group, and look for discrepancies. There are a few items in the IF that may be too restrictive.
3. Grahame: There is some weak wording - it is better than the original
4. Charlie: So I would like to start with concept maps for the level of comfort - they are illustrious of the text.
5. Steve: We need to add UML diagrams for the other sections, especially the IF. It would add rigour to the SAIF CD.
6. Charlie: The concept maps should be walked through, and it will tell the story. We are not using them for the one-look. We need to come to concensus for who the audience is - if it is only people who understand UML, they are insufficient. For some UML is the language, for others it is not. Ann expressed that if people want to build an implementation guide, they need to understand the text.
7. Jane: I struggled with creating a concept map based on the UML, and it is difficult to do without understanding the content.
8. Steve: Without the UML I could not get the concepts.
9. Charlie: Concept maps dont do multiplicity or recursion.
10. Wendell: UML is more difficult if you cannot follow it. This document is not normative: It is not clear to me how it will become normative. You need the UML to define constraints and rigor.
11. Charlie: TSC was clear - this is the best informative issue.
12. Wendell: The BF is more rigourous than the rest of the document.
13. Charlie: The major negative comments were the lack of underdanding of the CD vs the IG. The BF crosses the line.
14. Wendell: Doing normative content, we should discuss adding the UML for the rigour.
15. Charlie: By the end of this week we have to product the informative result of the balloted document.
16. In-depth discussion followed.
17. The meeing disbursed into work-groups to continue polishing the document.

• Transcription by Tony Julian 17:11, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Sunday, September 11, 2011 Q3

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes Location:San Diego WGM		Date: 20110911 Time: 1:45 pmU.S. Pacific Daylight
Facilitator	Ron Parker	Note taker(s)	Tony Julian
Attendee	Name	Affiliation
X	Bond,Andy	NEHTA
X	Curry, Jane	Health Information Strategies
.	Grieve, Grahame	Kestral Computing
.	Hufnagel, Steve	U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X	Julian, Tony	Mayo Clinic
.	Koisch, John	Guidewire Architecture
.	Loyd, Patrick	Gordon point Informatics LTD.
X	Lynch, Cecil	Accenture
X	Mead, Charlie	National Cancer Institute
.	Milosevic, Zoran	NEHTA
X	Ocasio, Wendell	Agilex Technologies
X	Parker, Ron	CA Infoway
.	Quinn, John	Health Level Seven, Inc.
.	Guests
X	Constable, Lorraine	Constable Consulting
X	Dagnall, Bo	HP Enterprise Services
X	Luthra, Anil	NCI
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes

1. The group spent another hour re-defining the concept maps. At 2:30pm the group re-convened.
2. Charlie led the discussion of the ECCF and GF concept maps.
3. Cecil led the discussion of the IF concept maps.
4. Meeeting was adjourned at 3:30pm Tony Julian 22:33, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Thursday Q3

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes Location:San Diego WGM		Date: 20110915 Time: 1:45 pmU.S. Pacific Daylight
Facilitator	Charlie Mead/Jane Curry	Note taker(s)	Tony Julian
Attendee	Name	Affiliation
X	Bond,Andy	NEHTA
X	Curry, Jane	Health Information Strategies
X	Grieve, Grahame	Kestral Computing
X	Hufnagel, Steve	U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X	Julian, Tony	Mayo Clinic
.	Koisch, John	Guidewire Architecture
.	Loyd, Patrick	Gordon point Informatics LTD.
X	Lynch, Cecil	Accenture
X	Mead, Charlie	National Cancer Institute
.	Milosevic, Zoran	NEHTA
.	Ocasio, Wendell	Agilex Technologies
.	Parker, Ron	CA Infoway
.	Quinn, John	Health Level Seven, Inc.
Guests
X	Dagnall, Bo	HP Enterprise Services
X	Luthra, Anil	NCI
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Agenda

1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Review of SAIF-CD
4. Planning for next WGM in San Antonio January 15-20, 2012.
5. Adjournment

Minutes

1. Agenda approved by affirmation
2. Review/modification of the SAIF-CD document was held.
3. Agenda for San Antonio WGM was set
4. Meeting Adjourned 3:15pm U.S. Pacific Daylight

Tony Julian 17:24, 15 September 2011 (EDT)