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Minutes of the RIMBAA WG from the Orlando WGM (Sept. 2008). See also the [[http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=RIMBAA_200901_WGM_Agenda|published agenda for the Orlando WGM]].
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Minutes of the RIMBAA WG from the Orlando WGM (Sept. 2008). See also the [[RIMBAA_200901_WGM_Agenda|published agenda for the Orlando WGM]].
  
 
==Monday Q3 (13:45-15:00)==
 
==Monday Q3 (13:45-15:00)==
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*===Future Goals for RIMBAA WG===
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==Future Goals for RIMBAA WG==
 
*Marketing - Public exposure of successes
 
*Marketing - Public exposure of successes
 
*Sharing of experiences and solutions
 
*Sharing of experiences and solutions
**e.g. RP/RO more future-proof than MP/MO
 
 
*Education - for newbies to RIMBAA
 
*Education - for newbies to RIMBAA
*Make vocab committee aware that OID changes, code removals, are very problematic for RIMBAA applications
 
*RIM was created with a messaging-mindset. If one views the RIM from an OLTP or DataWarehouse perspective, is there a delta, i.e. are there things that should be changed?
 
*Connectathon for exchange of data between RIMBAA applications
 
 
*Publish informative document best practices going from persistence layer to message/document.
 
*Publish informative document best practices going from persistence layer to message/document.

Revision as of 22:54, 12 January 2009

Minutes of the RIMBAA WG from the Orlando WGM (Sept. 2008). See also the published agenda for the Orlando WGM.

Monday Q3 (13:45-15:00)

  • Chair (interim, on behalf of Peter Hendler): Rene Spronk, scribe: Michael van der Zel
  • Attendees:
    • Amnon Shabo, IBM (Israel)
    • Mary Desisto, IBM
    • John McKim, conmsultant
    • Paul J Bayes, Booz Allen Hamilton
    • Alex de Jong, Siemens
    • Ian Townend, NHS
    • Rik Smithies, NHS (UK)
    • John Koisch, NCI
    • Amit Popat, Epic
    • Ilkon Kim, KNU Korea
    • Andy Stechischin, consultant
    • Grahame Grieve, Kestral
    • Russ Sarbora, City of Hope
    • Hugh Glover, Bluewave Informatics (UK)

Approval of Minutes

Presentation of RIMBAA

  • Rene provides an overview of "where we are" with RIMBAA. The presentation includes an introduction of the Technology Matrix.
  • Dale comments on the persistence layer. Hugh talks about there being a "third dimension" (needs follow up from Hugh)
  • Dale: what does it mean to be "RIM compliant", do we need/want to define that? Conformance aspect not at the top of the to-do list for the RIMBAA WG.
  • Dale: applications have more of a focus on the static model, not on the functional model

RS XML-ITS

  • There is an interest in the creation of an RS XML-ITS. Grahame/Michael van der Zel
  • RS/MS cell transition - what's the difference between RS and MS? RS - self discoverable "blob" of RIM based object instances. Theoretically MS is a subset of RS. There are implementation that (wrongly) associate smenatics with clone names, so semantics get lost when transfroming from MS to RS. Current ITS permist MS.

RIM orientation

  • RIM was created with an "interoperability mindset".
    • Grahame uses the example of the CD datatype - if one were to create the CD datatype with appkication development / persistence in mind it would look totally differently.
    • Grahame would also like much mmore normalizations, to re-use communalities between models.

Reference Implementation

  • High: two options: maximum reference implementation would need to show "all complexity of a real implementation". At a minunimum: pieces that illustrate parts (the various cell-transitions) in the technology matrix.
  • John: how about RIMBAA as a testing framework? Would seem to be a very good application of RIMBAA.
  • Rene: Enhance current Java SIG work with CTS, user interfaces, and a module for the use/migration of legacy data?

Cell transitions

  • Document/describe (for all possible cell transations) how those steps could be supported/achieved. Some of them may have reference implementations (or parts thereof) associated with them to illustrate the principle.


Monday Q4 (15:30-17:00)

  • Chair (interim, on behalf of Peter Hendler): Rene Spronk, scribe: Michael van der Zel
  • Attendees:
    • Amnon Shabo, IBM (Israel)
    • Mary Desisto, IBM
    • Paul J Bayes, Booz Allen Hamilton
    • Rik Smithies, NHS (UK)
    • Amit Popat, Epic
    • Hugh Glover, Bluewave Informatics (UK)
  • The minutes from this quarter have been included in the documentation of the discussion of Q3 (see above).

Monday Q6 (19:30-21:00)

Future Goals for RIMBAA WG

  • Marketing - Public exposure of successes
  • Sharing of experiences and solutions
  • Education - for newbies to RIMBAA
  • Publish informative document best practices going from persistence layer to message/document.