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#*'''Vote''' 4-0-3 | #*'''Vote''' 4-0-3 | ||
| − | #CIMI | + | #Methodology (60 minutes) |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: Not a product - product models and other discoveries. | + | #*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/arbgeneral/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2FHL7%2520Project%2520Scope%2520Statement%2520v2015.1_CIMI_POC_d20160511.docx CIMI Proof of concept] |
| − | #*Lorraine: It is not clear if it is a mapping artifact, new models - what are the actual artifacts. | + | #**Jay Lyle: Not a product - product models and other discoveries. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: New artifacts | + | #**Lorraine: It is not clear if it is a mapping artifact, new models - what are the actual artifacts. |
| − | #*Wayne: Checkbox for logical models | + | #**Jay Lyle: New artifacts |
| − | #*Lorraine: Not the same as the traditional HL7 Logical models | + | #**Wayne: Checkbox for logical models |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: Not sure what Logical Models means: | + | #**Lorraine: Not the same as the traditional HL7 Logical models |
| − | #*Wayne: Lots of models. | + | #**Jay Lyle: Not sure what Logical Models means: |
| − | #*Harold: General sense they are logical models. Rest of products have formal meaning and definition. | + | #**Wayne: Lots of models. |
| − | #*Tony: New product? | + | #**Harold: General sense they are logical models. Rest of products have formal meaning and definition. |
| − | #*Harold: Not new to us - new from the HL7 Perspective | + | #**Tony: New product? |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: New product, but not new product definition. An artifact that defines what a CIMI definition is. | + | #**Harold: Not new to us - new from the HL7 Perspective |
| − | #*Andy S: CQL is a new product. | + | #**Jay Lyle: New product, but not new product definition. An artifact that defines what a CIMI definition is. |
| − | #*Lorraine: Subject to ARB review. So we don't proliferate what we have already done. | + | #**Andy S: CQL is a new product. |
| − | #*Lorraine: The product is not new to CIMI, but to HL7. | + | #**Lorraine: Subject to ARB review. So we don't proliferate what we have already done. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: Good question. | + | #**Lorraine: The product is not new to CIMI, but to HL7. |
| − | #*Andy S: That is what we are all struggling with. | + | #**Jay Lyle: Good question. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: If there is not an old project model then it is a new one. Doing it now but not as a project. | + | #**Andy S: That is what we are all struggling with. |
| − | #*Lorraine: This project is part of doing that definition. Granularity level of existing models is not the same as the level of the CIMI models. | + | #**Jay Lyle: If there is not an old project model then it is a new one. Doing it now but not as a project. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: Just seeing what fits together. | + | #**Lorraine: This project is part of doing that definition. Granularity level of existing models is not the same as the level of the CIMI models. |
| − | #*Lorraine: If we said it was a new product what actions does that decision drive? | + | #**Jay Lyle: Just seeing what fits together. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: I don't have scope or authority to define CIMI within the scope of the project. Should have a discussion between ARB/CIMI/MnM. | + | #**Lorraine: If we said it was a new product what actions does that decision drive? |
| − | #*Andy B: Is a collection of logical models a new product family? It is work to create a collection, not a single model. This may be a product family. In effect the CIMI logical models are part of an independent product line. | + | #**Jay Lyle: I don't have scope or authority to define CIMI within the scope of the project. Should have a discussion between ARB/CIMI/MnM. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: Not product definitions. | + | #**Andy B: Is a collection of logical models a new product family? It is work to create a collection, not a single model. This may be a product family. In effect the CIMI logical models are part of an independent product line. |
| − | #*Andy B: Instance of a models | + | #**Jay Lyle: Not product definitions. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: Collection of models. | + | #**Andy B: Instance of a models |
| − | #*Andy B: Hard to not call it a product family - covers a range of product lines - vertical domain of use in healthcare. Look across pathology ordering the dam is a product in a product line, but V2, V3, FHIR are product families. CIMI represents a family of logical models. | + | #**Jay Lyle: Collection of models. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: Bits of a DAM coordinates into a single model not decomposed is it not a family? | + | #**Andy B: Hard to not call it a product family - covers a range of product lines - vertical domain of use in healthcare. Look across pathology ordering the dam is a product in a product line, but V2, V3, FHIR are product families. CIMI represents a family of logical models. |
| − | #*Andy B: Not a single model, but a SET that covers various dams. | + | #**Jay Lyle: Bits of a DAM coordinates into a single model not decomposed is it not a family? |
| − | #*Harold: Single or set is open to interpretation. If based on the same model there are branches, so is it one or many? | + | #**Andy B: Not a single model, but a SET that covers various dams. |
| − | #*Andy B: Same with FHIR - Individual resources, or a collection. | + | #**Harold: Single or set is open to interpretation. If based on the same model there are branches, so is it one or many? |
| − | #*Harold: Different Granularity. | + | #**Andy B: Same with FHIR - Individual resources, or a collection. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: CDA is a product family, implied from implementation guides. | + | #**Harold: Different Granularity. |
| − | #*Andy B: CDA product is definition of an IG as a product, CDA is a collection of prod based on a product definition. A single CIMI model is a new product - another kind of logical model, but this is a disservice - it is not really another kind of logical model. New product family with the expectation that there would be multiple instances under the family. | + | #**Jay Lyle: CDA is a product family, implied from implementation guides. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: My charge is to develop a new Instance. | + | #**Andy B: CDA product is definition of an IG as a product, CDA is a collection of prod based on a product definition. A single CIMI model is a new product - another kind of logical model, but this is a disservice - it is not really another kind of logical model. New product family with the expectation that there would be multiple instances under the family. |
| − | #*Tony: Further questions? | + | #**Jay Lyle: My charge is to develop a new Instance. |
| − | #*Lorraine: | + | #**Tony: Further questions? |
| − | #**If not a new product, we are done. | + | #**Lorraine: |
| − | #**How interested is ARB in following the work - how it fits with the rest of the artifacts. | + | #***If not a new product, we are done. |
| − | #*Harold: Trying to figure out how it fits - part of our goal. | + | #***How interested is ARB in following the work - how it fits with the rest of the artifacts. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: Should we check investigative? | + | #**Harold: Trying to figure out how it fits - part of our goal. |
| − | #*Lorraine: That does not trigger our review. | + | #**Jay Lyle: Should we check investigative? |
| − | #*Andy S: We should follow what the project does. I think it is a new product, if not a new product family. Merging something from the outside we need to evaluate how it fits in and what it does. This project should not answer the question. | + | #**Lorraine: That does not trigger our review. |
| − | #*'''Motion''' ARB be co-sponsor of the project, with periodic reports on progress what they are doing and where they are going. To develop a better understanding how the CIMI artifacts integrate with the current products and families. (Lorraine/Paul) | + | #**Andy S: We should follow what the project does. I think it is a new product, if not a new product family. Merging something from the outside we need to evaluate how it fits in and what it does. This project should not answer the question. |
| − | #*Andy B: Need to look at how we integrate new work groups - need to discuss with TSC, PLA, and PIC. | + | #**'''Motion''' ARB be co-sponsor of the project, with periodic reports on progress what they are doing and where they are going. To develop a better understanding how the CIMI artifacts integrate with the current products and families. (Lorraine/Paul) |
| − | #*'''Vote''' (4-0-0) | + | #**Andy B: Need to look at how we integrate new work groups - need to discuss with TSC, PLA, and PIC. |
| − | #*Jay Lyle: How periodic should the updates be? | + | #**'''Vote''' (4-0-0) |
| − | #*Lorraine: At the major points in the project. | + | #**Jay Lyle: How periodic should the updates be? |
| − | #Adjournment | + | #**Lorraine: At the major points in the project.#Adjournment |
#* Adjourned at 16:40, 7 June 2016 (EDT) | #* Adjourned at 16:40, 7 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
[[User:Ajulian|Tony Julian]] ([[User talk:Ajulian|talk]]) 16:48, 7 June 2016 (EDT) | [[User:Ajulian|Tony Julian]] ([[User talk:Ajulian|talk]]) 16:48, 7 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
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Agenda
- Call to order
- Roll Call
- Approval of Agenda and May 31, 2016 Minutes
- Governance
- Methodology (60 minutes)
- CIMI Proof of concept
- Is this a new product? Family? Where does it fit?
- CIMI Proof of concept
- Other business and planning
- Adjournment
Meeting Information
| HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes Location: Telcon |
Date: 20160531 Time: 4:00pm U.S. Eastern | |||
| Facilitator | Julian, Tony/Constable, Lorraine | Note taker(s) | Julian, Tony//Constable, Lorraine | |
| Attendee | Name | Affiliation | ||
| . | Bond,Andy | NEHTA | ||
| . | Constable, Lorraine | Constable Consulting Inc. | ||
| . | Dagnall, Bo | HP Enterprise Services | ||
| . | Hufnagel, Steve | ????? | ||
| . | Hyland, Mario | AEGIS | ||
| . | Julian, Tony | Mayo Clinic | ||
| . | Knapp, Paul | Pknapp Consulting | ||
| . | Kubick, Wayne | HL7 CTO | ||
| . | Loyd, Patrick | ICode Solutions | ||
| . | Lynch, Cecil | Accenture | ||
| . | Milosevic, Zoran | Deontik Pty Ltd | ||
| . | Quinn, John | HL7 CTO Emeritus | ||
| . | Stechishin,Andy | CANA Software and Service Ltd. | ||
| Guests | ||||
| . | Nelson, Dale | Accenture | ||
| . | Grow, Richard | U.S. Department of Veterans affairs | ||
| . | ||||
| Legend | ||||
| X | Present | |||
| . | Absent | |||
| R | Regrets | |||
| Quorum Requirements (Co-chair + 3) Met: Yes | ||||
Minutes
- Agenda approval
- Agenda approved by concensus
- Minute Approval
- Motion to approve (Andy/Andy B)
- Vote 4-0-3
- Methodology (60 minutes)
- CIMI Proof of concept
- Jay Lyle: Not a product - product models and other discoveries.
- Lorraine: It is not clear if it is a mapping artifact, new models - what are the actual artifacts.
- Jay Lyle: New artifacts
- Wayne: Checkbox for logical models
- Lorraine: Not the same as the traditional HL7 Logical models
- Jay Lyle: Not sure what Logical Models means:
- Wayne: Lots of models.
- Harold: General sense they are logical models. Rest of products have formal meaning and definition.
- Tony: New product?
- Harold: Not new to us - new from the HL7 Perspective
- Jay Lyle: New product, but not new product definition. An artifact that defines what a CIMI definition is.
- Andy S: CQL is a new product.
- Lorraine: Subject to ARB review. So we don't proliferate what we have already done.
- Lorraine: The product is not new to CIMI, but to HL7.
- Jay Lyle: Good question.
- Andy S: That is what we are all struggling with.
- Jay Lyle: If there is not an old project model then it is a new one. Doing it now but not as a project.
- Lorraine: This project is part of doing that definition. Granularity level of existing models is not the same as the level of the CIMI models.
- Jay Lyle: Just seeing what fits together.
- Lorraine: If we said it was a new product what actions does that decision drive?
- Jay Lyle: I don't have scope or authority to define CIMI within the scope of the project. Should have a discussion between ARB/CIMI/MnM.
- Andy B: Is a collection of logical models a new product family? It is work to create a collection, not a single model. This may be a product family. In effect the CIMI logical models are part of an independent product line.
- Jay Lyle: Not product definitions.
- Andy B: Instance of a models
- Jay Lyle: Collection of models.
- Andy B: Hard to not call it a product family - covers a range of product lines - vertical domain of use in healthcare. Look across pathology ordering the dam is a product in a product line, but V2, V3, FHIR are product families. CIMI represents a family of logical models.
- Jay Lyle: Bits of a DAM coordinates into a single model not decomposed is it not a family?
- Andy B: Not a single model, but a SET that covers various dams.
- Harold: Single or set is open to interpretation. If based on the same model there are branches, so is it one or many?
- Andy B: Same with FHIR - Individual resources, or a collection.
- Harold: Different Granularity.
- Jay Lyle: CDA is a product family, implied from implementation guides.
- Andy B: CDA product is definition of an IG as a product, CDA is a collection of prod based on a product definition. A single CIMI model is a new product - another kind of logical model, but this is a disservice - it is not really another kind of logical model. New product family with the expectation that there would be multiple instances under the family.
- Jay Lyle: My charge is to develop a new Instance.
- Tony: Further questions?
- Lorraine:
- If not a new product, we are done.
- How interested is ARB in following the work - how it fits with the rest of the artifacts.
- Harold: Trying to figure out how it fits - part of our goal.
- Jay Lyle: Should we check investigative?
- Lorraine: That does not trigger our review.
- Andy S: We should follow what the project does. I think it is a new product, if not a new product family. Merging something from the outside we need to evaluate how it fits in and what it does. This project should not answer the question.
- Motion ARB be co-sponsor of the project, with periodic reports on progress what they are doing and where they are going. To develop a better understanding how the CIMI artifacts integrate with the current products and families. (Lorraine/Paul)
- Andy B: Need to look at how we integrate new work groups - need to discuss with TSC, PLA, and PIC.
- Vote (4-0-0)
- Jay Lyle: How periodic should the updates be?
- Lorraine: At the major points in the project.#Adjournment
- Adjourned at 16:40, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
- CIMI Proof of concept
Tony Julian (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
