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=ARB - Meeting (Date in Title)=  
 
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==Agenda==
 
==Agenda==
 
#Call to order
 
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#Approval of Agenda and [[20131029_arb_minutes | Minutes]]
 
#Approval of Agenda and [[20131029_arb_minutes | Minutes]]
 
#Governance
 
#Governance
#*FHIR Governance (Parker) (FROM TSC MINUTES)
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#*FHIR Governance Request from TSC
#**Point of clarification - the way the TSC instantiated the FGB and FMG and assertion of policy by FGB and instantiation of management in FMG; both serve at the pleasure of the TSC. Ron's vision was that of a reporting relationship of a product management group to and through the Governance layer back to the TSC. This has not been explicitly asserted.
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#**Austin suggests this be ironed out with the BAM-lite, and that Ron, Lloyd and interested TSC members assist ArB to iron this out in the coming week(s).  
#**Lloyd agrees that TSC does not mediate between FMG and FGB. Fulfillment of each body's mandate he felt was a direct reporting relationship to the TSC. Intervention by the TSC through the FGB to the FMG seems overly complicated.
 
#**Ron would like to remove the FGB chair on FMG for reporting, but instead have an FMG representative responsible for reporting to the FGB. Secondly he agrees with Lloyd's point that a strict hierarchy would not be appropriate in terms of naming FMG representatives. Austin notes this should be clarified in the BAM. Ron notes they wish to express this in the BAM but seek guidance
 
#**Paul notes that with multiple stacks down the road it doesn't scale to have the TSC managing down into the management groups of each product family when they have a governance body. Ron notes that we may have several of the same people holding hats in different stacks.
 
#**Lloyd notes the size of the management groups in each stack, V2 versus FHIR for example would be smaller. Combining them would not work well. Austin notes that there was no proposal to combine management groups but perhaps a combined governance group. Lorraine notes that some hats are easier to wear in combination with others.
 
#**Reversing the liaison responsibility to have an FMG member reporting on FGB is of concern to Lloyd if the FMG don't have someone to receive communication from FGB. Austin feels this should be in the role of a Product Director. Ron would rather see someone from FMG representing their position to FGB rather than the FGB chair reporting back. Lloyd notes that the role of FGB chair having voting privileges on both bodies might be a concern.
 
#**Austin suggests this be ironed out with the BAM-lite, and that Ron, Lloyd and interested TSC members assist ArB to iron this out in the coming week(s). [http://www.hl7.org/concalls/CallDetails.aspx?concall=20757 ArB meets Tuesday at 5 EST].
 
 
#Methodology
 
#Methodology
 
##BAM sections Review:
 
##BAM sections Review:
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###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2FBAM_Section_1_Purpose.docx&view=log Section 1 Purpose]
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_2_goals.docx&view=log Section 2 Goals](AMS)
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_2_goals.docx&view=log Section 2 Goals](AMS)
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2FBAM_Section_3_vision.docx&view=log Section 3 Vision](Leadership)
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2FBAM_Section_3_vision.docx&view=log Section 3 Vision](Leadership)
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_4_Business_architecture.docx&view=log section 4 Business Architecture Model] Bo
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_4_Business_architecture.docx&view=log section 4 Business Architecture Model] Bo
### Section 5 ScopeAndy - Done
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###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_5_Scope.docx&view=log Section 5 Scope] Andy - Done and approved
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_6_organizational_Precepts.docx&view=log Section 6 Organizational Precepts] Ron
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_6_organizational_Precepts.docx&view=log Section 6 Organizational Precepts] Ron
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_7_business_architecture.docx&view=log Section 7 Business Architecture] Bo, Ron, Jane
 
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_7_business_architecture.docx&view=log Section 7 Business Architecture] Bo, Ron, Jane
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#Other business and planning
 
#Other business and planning
 
#Adjournment
 
#Adjournment
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==Meeting Information==
 
==Meeting Information==
 
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| width="50%" colspan="2" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''HL7 ArB Work Group  Meeting Minutes''' <br/>
 
| width="50%" colspan="2" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''HL7 ArB Work Group  Meeting Minutes''' <br/>
 
'''Location:  [[20100722_arb_minutes#logistics| Telcon]]'''
 
'''Location:  [[20100722_arb_minutes#logistics| Telcon]]'''
| width="50%" colspan="3" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Date: 20131104'''<br/> '''Time: 5:00pm U.S. Eastern'''
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| width="10%" colspan="1" align="right"|'''Facilitator'''
 
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|colspan="2"|'''Affiliation'''  
 
|colspan="2"|'''Affiliation'''  
 
|-
 
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|.||Bond,Andy           
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|X||Bond,Andy           
 
|colspan="2"|NEHTA
 
|colspan="2"|NEHTA
 
|-  
 
|-  
|.||[[User:Lconstab |Constable, Lorraine]]     
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|X||[[User:Lconstab |Constable, Lorraine]]     
 
|colspan="2"|Constable Consulting Inc.
 
|colspan="2"|Constable Consulting Inc.
 
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|colspan="2"|Health Information Strategies
 
|colspan="2"|Health Information Strategies
 
|-  
 
|-  
|.||Dagnall, Bo         
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|X||Dagnall, Bo         
 
|colspan="2"|HP Enterprise Services
 
|colspan="2"|HP Enterprise Services
 
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|colspan="2"| U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System  
 
|colspan="2"| U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System  
 
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|-
|.||[[User:Ajulian | Julian, Tony]]       
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|X||[[User:Ajulian | Julian, Tony]]       
 
|colspan="2"|Mayo Clinic
 
|colspan="2"|Mayo Clinic
 
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|colspan="2"|Accenture
 
|colspan="2"|Accenture
 
|-  
 
|-  
|.||Milosevic, Zoran
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|X||Milosevic, Zoran
 
|colspan="2"|Deontik Pty Ltd
 
|colspan="2"|Deontik Pty Ltd
 
|-
 
|-
|.||[[User:Rongparker | Parker, Ron]]         
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|X||[[User:Rongparker | Parker, Ron]]         
|colspan="2"|CA Infoway
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|olspan="2"|CA Infoway
 
|-  
 
|-  
 
|.||Quinn, John         
 
|.||Quinn, John         
 
|colspan="2"|Health Level Seven, Inc.
 
|colspan="2"|Health Level Seven, Inc.
 
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|-  
|.||Stechishin,Andy       
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|X||Stechishin,Andy       
 
|colspan="2"|CANA Software and Service Ltd.
 
|colspan="2"|CANA Software and Service Ltd.
 
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|.|| Kreisler, Austin
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|colspan="2"| HL7 TSC Chair
 
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==Minutes==
 
==Minutes==
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#Approval of Agenda and [[20131029_arb_minutes | Minutes]]
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##'''MOTION''' to approve minutes and agenda(Ron/Lorraine)
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##'''VOTE''' 6-0-0
 +
#Governance
 +
#*FHIR Governance Request from TSC
 +
#**FGB-FMG communications, accountability, constituency
 +
#**Looking at reporting against metrics for the precepts - Ron has not stood them up
 +
#**TSC punted the decision to ArB to include in the BAM.
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##Ron is on both FMG and FGB.
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#*Suggest that FMG have a voting roll in FGB
 +
#*Lloyd proposed that a member of the FGB serve on FMG
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#**Lorraine: FMG should have a way to express requirements to FMG.  Currently disconnected.
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#**Austin: I like it.
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#**Chair of FMG serve on FGB.
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#**Austin encourages FMG chair to communicate with the FGB.  Lynn Laakso is the staff member assigned which provides the glue currently.
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#**FGB/FMG would make revision of charter to broaden composition.
 +
#**Ken McCaslin and John Quinn are currently the bottlenecks.  Need to have ready by January WGM.
 +
##ArB needs to make sure that it is documented in the BAM, and brought to the TSC.
 +
##Product Director should be the glue.  Lynn Laakso has been doing so, but HL7 will not be able to provide a staff member at the present time.  Product Director should span product families.
 +
##Original thinking of CTO on all the groups was an idea, but it is not working.
 +
##Lloyd: Should we revisit the CTO being a voting member of the groups?
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##Austin: Right now, it is not practical.  ExOfficio member may be more practical. CTO may be placeholder for that roll.
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###Next step is to document in the BAM.
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#Methodology
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##BAM sections Review:
 +
###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_2_goals.docx&view=log Section 2 Goals](AMS)
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###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2FBAM_Section_3_vision.docx&view=log Section 3 Vision](Leadership)
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###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_4_Business_architecture.docx&view=log section 4 Business Architecture Model] Bo Complete
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###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_5_Scope.docx&view=log Section 5 Scope] Andy - Done and approved
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###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_6_organizational_Precepts.docx&view=log Section 6 Organizational Precepts] Ron
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####Ron is behind will try to deliver next sunday.
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###[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fbam_section_7_business_architecture.docx&view=log Section 7 Business Architecture] Bo, Ron, Jane
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###Bo: Three diagrams missing - 1 Bo can do, 2 needs input from Ron.
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####Ron is behind will try to deliver next sunday.
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####Ron will communicate with Lorraine so she can finish section 8.
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#Management
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##Review [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hlbam2b/tracker/?action=TrackerItemBrowse&tracker_id=691 to-do list]
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###SAIF tutorial (2674) is waiting on Ron.  Logistics are underway, Ron needs to generate content.
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###Glossary - Zoran was in meetings last week.  Will continue.
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###Glossary tools - Andy is still working on tooling.
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###Vitality Process - Ron can walk us through the process(drivers, and changes in the organization)
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####Did not have a quarter with enough people at the WGM.  There are places where we are struggling.
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####Ron can facilitate for a call November 12, 2013
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####Austin: Need organizational triggers from the Board, Membership committee, and TSC.
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####Need John Q and Ken McCaslin
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##Review/update [[Arb_BAM_Tasks| Arb BAM task list]]
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##Report from Architecture Project
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###Austin: Meeting tomorrow to put together a forum for product family initiation.  WIll be mining the BAM.
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###Lorraine: Developing a SAIF-IG. There are useful artifacts coming out of the current work.
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###Lorraine: There was a comment from David Hays on the implementers guide from FHIR: He came out with the SAIF hat on separating the logical from the implementable.
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###Austin: I love it that people are using SAIF.
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#Other business and planning
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##Lorraine: Loose ends from FHIR ballot recon.  Some where "ask bo", and some need to be reopened and the dispositon changed.
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##Austin: Need to determine whether it affects the MnM block vote.
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##Reopening for clarification:
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###Item 21:  Needs additional clarifying language: "resources can be further constrained for a specific use case by profiles"
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###Item 25: "ArB would like to re-visit to ensure that the scope is clearly defined and understood, and the interaction of Is-Modifier and Must Support is clear"
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###Item 41: - Answer did not answer the question "need to clarify if later(run-time) binding is allowed, and if so, how it is addressed"
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###* Zoran left
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###'''Motion''' remove Item 11, 18, 41, 52 from the bulk vote for dispositon by November 19, 2013(Lorraine/Andy)
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###'''Vote''' (6-0-0)
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to reopen 21, 25, 41 on November 19, 2013
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#Adjournment
  
  
  
 
[[Category:Arb Minutes]]
 
[[Category:Arb Minutes]]

Latest revision as of 14:13, 8 November 2013

ARB - Meeting (Date in Title)

Agenda

  1. Call to order
  2. Roll Call
  3. Approval of Agenda and Minutes
  4. Governance
    • FHIR Governance Request from TSC
      • Austin suggests this be ironed out with the BAM-lite, and that Ron, Lloyd and interested TSC members assist ArB to iron this out in the coming week(s).
  5. Methodology
    1. BAM sections Review:
      1. Section 1 Purpose
      2. Section 2 Goals(AMS)
      3. Section 3 Vision(Leadership)
      4. section 4 Business Architecture Model Bo
      5. Section 5 Scope Andy - Done and approved
      6. Section 6 Organizational Precepts Ron
      7. Section 7 Business Architecture Bo, Ron, Jane
  6. Management
    1. Review to-do list
    2. Review/update Arb BAM task list
    3. Report from Architecture Project
  7. Other business and planning
  8. Adjournment

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Telcon

Date: 20131105
Time: 5:00pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Julian, Tony/Constable, Lorraine Note taker(s) Julian, Tony//Constable, Lorraine
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
. Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
X Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
. Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
. Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
. Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Milosevic, Zoran Deontik Pty Ltd
X Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
X Stechishin,Andy CANA Software and Service Ltd.
. Guests
X Kreisler, Austin HL7 TSC Chair
. Luthra, Anil NCI
. Pech, Brian Kaiser Permanente
. Shakir, Abdul Malik City of Hope National Medical Center
. Laakso, Lynn HL7
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. Legend
X Present
. Absent
R Regrets
Quorum Requirements (Co-chair + 3) Met: Yes

Minutes

  1. Approval of Agenda and Minutes
    1. MOTION to approve minutes and agenda(Ron/Lorraine)
    2. VOTE 6-0-0
  2. Governance
    • FHIR Governance Request from TSC
      • FGB-FMG communications, accountability, constituency
      • Looking at reporting against metrics for the precepts - Ron has not stood them up
      • TSC punted the decision to ArB to include in the BAM.
    1. Ron is on both FMG and FGB.
    • Suggest that FMG have a voting roll in FGB
    • Lloyd proposed that a member of the FGB serve on FMG
      • Lorraine: FMG should have a way to express requirements to FMG. Currently disconnected.
      • Austin: I like it.
      • Chair of FMG serve on FGB.
      • Austin encourages FMG chair to communicate with the FGB. Lynn Laakso is the staff member assigned which provides the glue currently.
      • FGB/FMG would make revision of charter to broaden composition.
      • Ken McCaslin and John Quinn are currently the bottlenecks. Need to have ready by January WGM.
    1. ArB needs to make sure that it is documented in the BAM, and brought to the TSC.
    2. Product Director should be the glue. Lynn Laakso has been doing so, but HL7 will not be able to provide a staff member at the present time. Product Director should span product families.
    3. Original thinking of CTO on all the groups was an idea, but it is not working.
    4. Lloyd: Should we revisit the CTO being a voting member of the groups?
    5. Austin: Right now, it is not practical. ExOfficio member may be more practical. CTO may be placeholder for that roll.
      1. Next step is to document in the BAM.
  3. Methodology
    1. BAM sections Review:
      1. Section 2 Goals(AMS)
      2. Section 3 Vision(Leadership)
      3. section 4 Business Architecture Model Bo Complete
      4. Section 5 Scope Andy - Done and approved
      5. Section 6 Organizational Precepts Ron
        1. Ron is behind will try to deliver next sunday.
      6. Section 7 Business Architecture Bo, Ron, Jane
      7. Bo: Three diagrams missing - 1 Bo can do, 2 needs input from Ron.
        1. Ron is behind will try to deliver next sunday.
        2. Ron will communicate with Lorraine so she can finish section 8.
  4. Management
    1. Review to-do list
      1. SAIF tutorial (2674) is waiting on Ron. Logistics are underway, Ron needs to generate content.
      2. Glossary - Zoran was in meetings last week. Will continue.
      3. Glossary tools - Andy is still working on tooling.
      4. Vitality Process - Ron can walk us through the process(drivers, and changes in the organization)
        1. Did not have a quarter with enough people at the WGM. There are places where we are struggling.
        2. Ron can facilitate for a call November 12, 2013
        3. Austin: Need organizational triggers from the Board, Membership committee, and TSC.
        4. Need John Q and Ken McCaslin
    2. Review/update Arb BAM task list
    3. Report from Architecture Project
      1. Austin: Meeting tomorrow to put together a forum for product family initiation. WIll be mining the BAM.
      2. Lorraine: Developing a SAIF-IG. There are useful artifacts coming out of the current work.
      3. Lorraine: There was a comment from David Hays on the implementers guide from FHIR: He came out with the SAIF hat on separating the logical from the implementable.
      4. Austin: I love it that people are using SAIF.
  5. Other business and planning
    1. Lorraine: Loose ends from FHIR ballot recon. Some where "ask bo", and some need to be reopened and the dispositon changed.
    2. Austin: Need to determine whether it affects the MnM block vote.
    3. Reopening for clarification:
      1. Item 21: Needs additional clarifying language: "resources can be further constrained for a specific use case by profiles"
      2. Item 25: "ArB would like to re-visit to ensure that the scope is clearly defined and understood, and the interaction of Is-Modifier and Must Support is clear"
      3. Item 41: - Answer did not answer the question "need to clarify if later(run-time) binding is allowed, and if so, how it is addressed"
        • Zoran left
      4. Motion remove Item 11, 18, 41, 52 from the bulk vote for dispositon by November 19, 2013(Lorraine/Andy)
      5. Vote (6-0-0)

to reopen 21, 25, 41 on November 19, 2013

  1. Adjournment