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**David to reach out to QA reviewers to find out if they would be willing to assist in sample generation
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**Grahame/Wayne to formalize proposal on naming confusion between IGs and US Core and take to TSC
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*Agenda review
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**David to circulate email encouraging people to register for Connectathon and confirm track interest
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*Review minutes from [[2017-03-29_SGB_Conference_Call]]
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**Anne to send out updated substantive change definition for review and comment due by 2017-04-18
 
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**ARB to follow up with PSS approvals for subst. change project
 
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**Anne to add to TSC agenda - SGB recommends to TSC that process changes which affect standards development should go to SGB for consideration and recommendation back to TSC
 
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**Anne to reply to Richard re: Privacy Cookbook and ask where you've used SUR, do you intend for that to mean specification under review or specification under development, because SGB sees those as two different activities.
 
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**Calvin will make updates to ballot level transition and send to Anne for distribution to list and addition to TSC call.
 
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**Wayne will request that FMG provide documentation to support the requested variance from normal balloting/publishing process
 
 
*Discussion Topics
 
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**CDA MG Mission and Charter Review and Approval
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**Continued discussion on drafting an additional type of ballot comment disposition
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**PSS approval process: managing unresponsive cosponsors
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**Connectathon management (David/Brian)
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**Handling situations where two documents come out of one project
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**SGB provider role recruitment - look at descriptions for FMG/FGB
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**Guests: Andi, Eric Haas, Richard Ettema, Christol Green
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*Agenda Check
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**VOTE: All in favor
 
**VOTE: All in favor
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**Anne to send out updated substantive change definition for review and comment due by 2017-04-18
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**MOTION to approve: Grahame/David
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***Reviewed responses thus far from Lloyd and Heather Grain. Lloyd states that it doesn't address the notion of the behavior of a recipient or a sender.
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**Vote: All in favor
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***Lloyd suggests: "Examples of HL7 substantive changes are: altering the information content of an instance or the interpretation of its content; or altering the required or permitted behavior of systems governed by the specification"
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**Brian to check with Publishing on approval for balloting process PSS
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****Any change that meets the ANSI substantive change definition (see below) is to be considered an HL7 substantive change. Examples of HL7 substantive changes are: altering the information content of an instance, the interpretation of its content, or the behaviors defined by the specification.
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***In process. Will be raised on next call.
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**ARB to follow up with PSS approvals for subst. change project
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**Josh to invite one of the authors of the SOA methodology document to an upcoming call
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***Lorraine moved PSSS to new template and forwarded to Publishing and PIC, but Liora is out through April. Checked with Dave re: the process; Dave said to send it to TSC noting that other cosponsors are in process.
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***Invited to today's call; no attendees. Josh will follow up. Lloyd wants to know the value that OMG and RFP process bring once the base FHIR design is done that is above and beyond what you would get in Connectathons. Would like to see clear boundaries for responsibilities and understand their vision for the process.
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**Anne to add to TSC agenda - SGB recommends to TSC that process changes which affect standards development should go to SGB for consideration and recommendation back to TSC
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**Paul to take publication naming convention ideas (R3 vs. STU3) to TSC
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***On the agenda for next week. Add "SGB does not see a need for changes to the Project Services "Introducing New Processes" document."
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***Has been on TSC agenda but no time to address yet. Add for next week.
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**Anne to reply to Richard re: Privacy Cookbook and ask where you've used SUR, do you intend for that to mean specification under review or specification under development, because SGB sees those as two different activities.
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***Richard responded that " The privacy assessment can be done at any time (just as the security risk assessment); that is up to the discretion of the WG. Usually, the sooner an assessment is done, the better, but the assessment is conducted to “identify privacy impacts and the release of a patient’s sensitive information, etc.’’ The individual WGs would know best when to conduct the assessment."
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***Add for next week
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****ACTION: Anne to invite new contact for the project (Mike Davis) to upcoming call.
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**Grahame/Wayne to formalize proposal on naming confusion between IGs and US Core and take to TSC
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**Wayne will request that FMG provide documentation to support the requested variance from normal balloting/publishing process
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***Complete. HQ is also doing another blog post. Currently have 40 registered attendees.
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***Grahame is preparing something. Add for next week.
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***Add for next week
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**Grahame will write up response for draft/STU FMM rationale for review and approval. Will talk about what was done as well was what will be done in the future.
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**Paul notes topic of publication requests without materials. Lorraine notes TSC does not review/approve ballot material; Paul notes that we do look to see that they've published reconciliation packages. Lorraine: We verify that they've followed process but we don't verify content. Paul: In the case of publication, we've recently approved publication of things that don't exist yet. Lorraine: Up until FHIR, we had not allowed publication without material. Our behavior changed with FHIR. Should SGB provide a recommendation to TSC on this? Anne notes there will be a motion on Monday's TSC call to require a minimum 72-hour review (e-vote) period. Should not be approving things that don't exist yet. Discussion if this review period is in variance with TSC DMP - will discuss at TSC.
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***Discussion over policy for technical corrections. Paul: Shouldn't be new items; need to be things which either pre-date pub that didn't make it in or things discovered in the publication that mean people can't effectively consume it. Lloyd: No changes to scope; dealing things that are broken. John: Has to have been intended to be fixed. Should move as much as we can into R4.
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***Group reviews. Discussion over where these MGs should report up to - TSC or SGB.  
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***Tracker 12986: Decision that it will not be a technical correction.
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****ACTION: Anne to put on Saturday's TSC's agenda essentialism topic a discussion of consideration of where management groups report to.
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****MOTION to approve changing it in this technical correction if possible: Grahame/Brian Post
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****VOTE: All in favor
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***13152: Decision that it should not be a technical correction.
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****MOTION to include it as a known issue to be addressed in future release: Paul/Grahame
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****VOTE: All in favor
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****MOTION to fix: Grahame/Brian Post
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****VOTE: All in favor
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****MOTION to fix/remove the section: Grahame/Paul
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****VOTE: All in favor
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***13158:
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****MOTION to fix: Grahame/John
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****VOTE: All in favor
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****MOTION to fix if time allows: Grahame/Paul
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****VOTE: All in favor
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****MOTION to fix: Brian Post/David
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****VOTE: All in favor
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***13172: Issue of something not working in snapshots: in all the structure definitions, the snapshots are wrong. Slicing did not show up properly.
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****MOTION to fix if time permits: Grahame/Brian Post
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****VOTE: All in favor
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***13173: Element issue - doesn't consider if children includes value. ****MOTION to fix: Brian Post/David
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****VOTE: All in favor
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**FHIR licenses for merchandise
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***License for events and products that do FHIR. Do we need a process for licensing FHIR trademark for purposes other than events and software products?  Grahame: the licensing is for if you wish to use FHIR for your product. It doesn't say what kind of product. Have already licensed for products (t-shirts).
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HL7 TSC FMG Meeting Minutes

Location:
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/279790597
(voice and screen)

Date: 2017-04-05
Time: 4:00 PM U.S. Eastern
Chair: Note taker(s): Anne W.
Quorum = chair + 4 yes/no
Co chairs David Hay x Lloyd McKenzie
ex-officio Woody Beeler,
Dave Shaver
FGB Co-chairs		 . Wayne Kubick, CTO
Members Members Members Observers/Guests
Hans Buitendijk x Brian Postlethwaite x Paul Knapp x Anne W., scribe
x Josh Mandel x John Moehrke x Brian Pech
x Grahame Grieve x Andi (student)
x Eric Haas
x Richard Ettema
x Christol Green



Agenda

  • Roll Call
  • Agenda Check
  • Minutes from 2017-03-29_FMG_concall
  • Action items
    • Brian to check with Publishing on approval for balloting process PSS
    • Josh to invite one of the authors of the SOA methodology document to an upcoming call
    • Paul to take publication naming convention ideas (R3 vs. STU3) to TSC
      • Has been on TSC agenda but no time to address yet
    • David to reach out to QA reviewers to find out if they would be willing to assist in sample generation
    • Grahame/Wayne to formalize proposal on naming confusion between IGs and US Core and take to TSC
    • David to circulate email encouraging people to register for Connectathon and confirm track interest
    • David will suggest some words to add to the stale items summary spreadsheet to explain the columns
    • Grahame will write up response for draft/STU FMM rationale for review and approval. Will talk about what was done as well was what will be done in the future.
  • Discussion Topics
    • Technical Corrections
  • Reports
  • Process management
  • AOB (Any Other Business)

Minutes

  • Roll Call
    • Guests: Andi, Eric Haas, Richard Ettema, Christol Green
  • Agenda Check
    • MOTION to approve: David/Paul
    • VOTE: All in favor
  • Minutes from 2017-03-29_FMG_concall
    • MOTION to approve: Grahame/David
    • Vote: All in favor
  • Action items
    • Brian to check with Publishing on approval for balloting process PSS
      • In process. Will be raised on next call.
    • Josh to invite one of the authors of the SOA methodology document to an upcoming call
      • Invited to today's call; no attendees. Josh will follow up. Lloyd wants to know the value that OMG and RFP process bring once the base FHIR design is done that is above and beyond what you would get in Connectathons. Would like to see clear boundaries for responsibilities and understand their vision for the process.
    • Paul to take publication naming convention ideas (R3 vs. STU3) to TSC
      • Has been on TSC agenda but no time to address yet. Add for next week.
    • David to reach out to QA reviewers to find out if they would be willing to assist in sample generation
      • Add for next week
    • Grahame/Wayne to formalize proposal on naming confusion between IGs and US Core and take to TSC
      • Add for next week
    • David to circulate email encouraging people to register for Connectathon and confirm track interest
      • Complete. HQ is also doing another blog post. Currently have 40 registered attendees.
    • David will suggest some words to add to the stale items summary spreadsheet to explain the columns
      • Add for next week
    • Grahame will write up response for draft/STU FMM rationale for review and approval. Will talk about what was done as well was what will be done in the future.
      • Add for next week
  • Discussion Topics
    • Technical Corrections
      • Discussion over policy for technical corrections. Paul: Shouldn't be new items; need to be things which either pre-date pub that didn't make it in or things discovered in the publication that mean people can't effectively consume it. Lloyd: No changes to scope; dealing things that are broken. John: Has to have been intended to be fixed. Should move as much as we can into R4.
      • Tracker 12986: Decision that it will not be a technical correction.
      • 12985: Decision that it should not be a technical correction.
      • 13001:
        • MOTION to fix: Grahame/Paul
        • VOTE: all in favor
      • 13153: Table with one column that goes on with 5 or 6 screen widths to the right.
        • MOTION to approve changing it in this technical correction if possible: Grahame/Brian Post
        • VOTE: All in favor
      • 13152: Decision that it should not be a technical correction.
      • 13124:
        • MOTION to include it as a known issue to be addressed in future release: Grahame/John
        • Discussion over how to communicate the issue to implementers. Refer to MnM to deal with methodological issue and put a note in the spec.
        • VOTE: all in favor
      • 13125:
        • MOTION to include it as a known issue to be addressed in future release: Paul/Grahame
        • VOTE: All in favor
      • 13156:
        • MOTION to fix: Grahame/Brian Post
        • VOTE: All in favor
      • 13170:
        • MOTION to fix/remove the section: Grahame/Paul
        • VOTE: All in favor
      • 13158:
        • MOTION to fix: Grahame/John
        • VOTE: All in favor
      • 13168:
        • MOTION to fix if time allows: Grahame/Paul
        • VOTE: All in favor
      • 13171:
        • MOTION to fix: Brian Post/David
        • VOTE: All in favor
      • 13172: Issue of something not working in snapshots: in all the structure definitions, the snapshots are wrong. Slicing did not show up properly.
        • MOTION to fix if time permits: Grahame/Brian Post
        • VOTE: All in favor
      • 13173: Element issue - doesn't consider if children includes value. ****MOTION to fix: Brian Post/David
        • VOTE: All in favor
      • 12919
        • Decision not to fix it at this time
    • FHIR licenses for merchandise
      • License for events and products that do FHIR. Do we need a process for licensing FHIR trademark for purposes other than events and software products? Grahame: the licensing is for if you wish to use FHIR for your product. It doesn't say what kind of product. Have already licensed for products (t-shirts).
    • Review of feedback on R3
      • Add to next week
    • Priorities/objectives for R4
      • Add to next week
  • Adjourned at 5:27 pm Eastern


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