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'''[[Architecture_Board | Architecture Board]] (ArB) - Agenda's and Minutes '''
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==Agenda==
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*Call to order
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*Agenda Approval
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*SAIF-CD Discussion - Next Steps
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*Other Business
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*Adjournment
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==Meeting Information==
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{|border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"
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| width="50%" colspan="2" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''HL7 ArB Work Group  Meeting Minutes''' <br/>
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'''Location:  [[20100722_arb_minutes#logistics| Telcon]]'''
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| width="50%" colspan="3" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Date: 20110928'''<br/> '''Time: 4:00pm U.S. Eastern'''
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|-
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| width="10%" colspan="1" align="right"|'''Facilitator'''
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| width="35%" colspan="1" align="left"|Charlie Mead
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| width="25%" colspan="1" align="right"|'''Note taker(s)'''
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| width="30%" colspan="1" align="left"|Tony Julian
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|-
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| border="4" cellpadding="1" colspan="4" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|
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|-
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| border="1" cellpadding="2" colspan="1" align="left"|'''Attendee'''
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| '''Name'''
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|colspan="2"|'''Affiliation'''
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|-
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|X||Bond,Andy         
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|colspan="2"|NEHTA
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|-
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|X||Curry, Jane       
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|colspan="2"|Health Information Strategies
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|-
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|.||Grieve, Grahame   
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|colspan="2"|Kestral Computing
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|-
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|X||Hufnagel, Steve   
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|colspan="2"| U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
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|-
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|X||Julian, Tony       
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|colspan="2"|Mayo Clinic
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|-
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|.||Koisch, John       
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|colspan="2"|Guidewire Architecture
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|-
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|.||Loyd, Patrick     
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|colspan="2"|Gordon point Informatics LTD.
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|-
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|X||Lynch, Cecil       
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|colspan="2"|Accenture
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|-
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|X||Mead, Charlie     
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|colspan="2"|National Cancer Institute
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|-
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|X||Ocasio, Wendell   
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|colspan="2"|Agilex Technologies
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|-
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|X||Parker, Ron       
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|colspan="2"|CA Infoway
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|-
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|.||Quinn, John       
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|colspan="2"|Health Level Seven, Inc.
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|-
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|X||Milosevic, Zoran
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|colspan="2"|NEHTA
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|-
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|.
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|colspan="4" align="center"|Guests             
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|colspan="2"|
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|-
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|.||Laskso, Lynn
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|colspan="2"|HL7 Staff
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|-
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|X||Luthra, Anil
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|colspan="2"|NCI
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|-
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|X||Dagnall, Bo
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|colspan="2"|Hewlett Packard
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|-
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|colspan="4" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|
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|-
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|colspan="4" |'''Quorum Requirements Met: '''Yes
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|-
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|}
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==Minutes==
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*Call to order at 4:00pm U.S. Eastern
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*Andy will send out IG compliance to the CD.
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*Content is due November 27, 2011
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*Withdrawl has been requested.
 +
*We need to add a section on IG compliance to the current document.
 +
*Documents are available at
 +
*Word document (Source of truth)
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**http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/6448/8696/20110915-1840-SAIFCD-FINAL-AJJ.docx
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*PDF document (for publication)
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**http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/6449/8697/20110918-SAIF-CD-INFORMATIVE.pdf
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*Tutorial PDF version
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**http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/6450/8698/SAIFCDtutorial.pdf
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*Charlie: Thomas Erl has read the document, and wants to feature it in his journal.
 +
*Jane: I dont mind helping
 +
*Charlie: I just got the e-mail from him today.  Do not know what he is expecting.  This is good.
 +
*Tony sent marketing chairs link to Charlie.
 +
*Charlie: Did a video on SAIF at the SanDiego WGM, will be posted shortly.
 +
*Ron: What else?
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*Jane: Glossary needs updated.
 +
*Jane: need more formal way to reference relationships with Cecil's help.
 +
*Cecil: If you can assemble what needs to be converted.  I have tools to automate.
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*Charlie: I fooled around with the tool - You dont get the maps imported into the tool appropriately.  If you have automation, it would be fabulous.
 +
*Cecil: I would do it differently.  I have tools.
 +
*Zoran: Which tools? One tool for concept maps, or different tools?
 +
*Cecil: the tool form the institute for machine cognitions.
 +
*Jane: The COE version does not export as image.
 +
*Cecil: Mine is in owl.  I use the COE, then open the owl CMAP in the regular tool and generate the image.  I have other tools - I use topgrade mistro.
 +
*Jane: You have to be an expert.
 +
*Cecil: Yes, it is harder to use.
 +
*Bo: My contribution is a new set of eyes.  I have comments, how should I share?
 +
*Charlie: Line by line, or overarching?
 +
*Bo: Both
 +
*Charlie: Send them to me.
 +
*Zoran: Do we have time for questions?  I discussed with Andy, it loks really good.  Thanks to Wendell for compressing the BF.  In figure 1, we talk about SAIF-CD organizational Structure.  Where is the input from Berndt used?
 +
*Charlie: The thing we took from the article, was the notion of perspectives.
 +
*Zoran: These are the three perspectives?
 +
*Charlie: They dont name them.  We tried to take MDA from OMG, and went back to role-based perspectives.  We wanted to acknowledge that we had the notion, and found the same in Bernd's paper.
 +
*Zoran: Thank you.  I looked at the part about language and grammer= I think to me that we are talking about modlelling languages, the distinction between language and grammer is closer.
 +
*Charlie: There was a notion that the CD does not express grammer, it expresses language.  I would appreciate help with this.
 +
*Zoran: I thought that might be the case.  I went through and dont see any significant concerns - except the ECCF Consistency definition.
 +
*Charlie: Thursday afternoon, Andy pushed hard for the addition of a cross chapter relationship semantics map.  Andy, Jane, and I worked on it for a few hours -
 +
*Jane: 1.1.4.5 in the document (Figure 4).
 +
*Zoran: Distinction between artifact and component?
 +
*Jane: Artifact is not automated, component is built from the IG.
 +
*Charlie: Component is generic - specified then built.
 +
*Tony: Wiki glossary is outdated.
 +
*Jane: It is inconsitent, with too many terms.
 +
*Ron: Someone needs to do a side-by-side walkthrough.
 +
*Charlie: How many terms in the glossary?
 +
*Tony: 152
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*Charlie: Can we divide them up?  Cecil would you have time to look at 20 terms.
 +
*Jane: I was thinking about taking the GF terms.
 +
*Charlie: Would it mess you up if we worked on it.
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*[http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=Category:SAIF_Glossary SAIF Glossary]
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**Jane is doing ABC. - first 50.
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**Anil will take DH.
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**Ron will take I through P.
 +
**Steve will do the rest.
 +
**If glossary term is referenced in CD use the definition in the CD.
 +
**If the term does not exist, flag for removal.
 +
**IF you reach the end of day on Monday, and will not be done by Thursday, let us know.
 +
**Look for terms that have lexical significance, but not semantic correctness.
 +
*Charlie: If the OASIS guys come up with an operational strategy, what Ken and I discussed that a small group of his people and some of the ARB, if you are interested, let me know.  The ideas is to cross-referenct the OASIS work with the SAIF-CD.
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*Zoran: I will be happy to help.
 +
*Jane:The OASIS document is more generic on Governance.  In the current GF, more explecit stuff for governance is pushed into the IG.
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*Zoran: It has lost its sharpness.
 +
*Jane: A bunch of stuff that used to be there got pushed out.  I did a map between the GF and BF language, including the differences and bridging concepts.  I would be interested in your feedback.  I think have a way to get to compliance statements.
 +
*Zoran: There are some good things in the SOA REF to look at.
 +
*Jane: A lot of that goes into the IG - I will be doing artifact definition on the enterprise conceptual so I'll have an opportunity to test the compliance statements before we have to ballot.
 +
*Anil: I am working with Thomas Erl because I am in Vancouver, so I can work with him.  I am helping with the next SOA in healthcare training.  It will be good visibility for us.
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*Adjourned at 5:05pm U.S. Eastern.
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[[User:Ajulian|Tony Julian]] 21:07, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
  
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[[User:Ajulian|Tony Julian]] 16:29, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 22:37, 29 September 2011

ArB Agenda/Minutes

Agenda

  • Call to order
  • Agenda Approval
  • SAIF-CD Discussion - Next Steps
  • Other Business
  • Adjournment

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Telcon

Date: 20110928
Time: 4:00pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Charlie Mead Note taker(s) Tony Julian
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
. Grieve, Grahame Kestral Computing
X Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
. Koisch, John Guidewire Architecture
. Loyd, Patrick Gordon point Informatics LTD.
X Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
X Ocasio, Wendell Agilex Technologies
X Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
X Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
. Guests
. Laskso, Lynn HL7 Staff
X Luthra, Anil NCI
X Dagnall, Bo Hewlett Packard
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes

  • Call to order at 4:00pm U.S. Eastern
  • Andy will send out IG compliance to the CD.
  • Content is due November 27, 2011
  • Withdrawl has been requested.
  • We need to add a section on IG compliance to the current document.
  • Documents are available at
  • Word document (Source of truth)
  • PDF document (for publication)
  • Tutorial PDF version
  • Charlie: Thomas Erl has read the document, and wants to feature it in his journal.
  • Jane: I dont mind helping
  • Charlie: I just got the e-mail from him today. Do not know what he is expecting. This is good.
  • Tony sent marketing chairs link to Charlie.
  • Charlie: Did a video on SAIF at the SanDiego WGM, will be posted shortly.
  • Ron: What else?
  • Jane: Glossary needs updated.
  • Jane: need more formal way to reference relationships with Cecil's help.
  • Cecil: If you can assemble what needs to be converted. I have tools to automate.
  • Charlie: I fooled around with the tool - You dont get the maps imported into the tool appropriately. If you have automation, it would be fabulous.
  • Cecil: I would do it differently. I have tools.
  • Zoran: Which tools? One tool for concept maps, or different tools?
  • Cecil: the tool form the institute for machine cognitions.
  • Jane: The COE version does not export as image.
  • Cecil: Mine is in owl. I use the COE, then open the owl CMAP in the regular tool and generate the image. I have other tools - I use topgrade mistro.
  • Jane: You have to be an expert.
  • Cecil: Yes, it is harder to use.
  • Bo: My contribution is a new set of eyes. I have comments, how should I share?
  • Charlie: Line by line, or overarching?
  • Bo: Both
  • Charlie: Send them to me.
  • Zoran: Do we have time for questions? I discussed with Andy, it loks really good. Thanks to Wendell for compressing the BF. In figure 1, we talk about SAIF-CD organizational Structure. Where is the input from Berndt used?
  • Charlie: The thing we took from the article, was the notion of perspectives.
  • Zoran: These are the three perspectives?
  • Charlie: They dont name them. We tried to take MDA from OMG, and went back to role-based perspectives. We wanted to acknowledge that we had the notion, and found the same in Bernd's paper.
  • Zoran: Thank you. I looked at the part about language and grammer= I think to me that we are talking about modlelling languages, the distinction between language and grammer is closer.
  • Charlie: There was a notion that the CD does not express grammer, it expresses language. I would appreciate help with this.
  • Zoran: I thought that might be the case. I went through and dont see any significant concerns - except the ECCF Consistency definition.
  • Charlie: Thursday afternoon, Andy pushed hard for the addition of a cross chapter relationship semantics map. Andy, Jane, and I worked on it for a few hours -
  • Jane: 1.1.4.5 in the document (Figure 4).
  • Zoran: Distinction between artifact and component?
  • Jane: Artifact is not automated, component is built from the IG.
  • Charlie: Component is generic - specified then built.
  • Tony: Wiki glossary is outdated.
  • Jane: It is inconsitent, with too many terms.
  • Ron: Someone needs to do a side-by-side walkthrough.
  • Charlie: How many terms in the glossary?
  • Tony: 152
  • Charlie: Can we divide them up? Cecil would you have time to look at 20 terms.
  • Jane: I was thinking about taking the GF terms.
  • Charlie: Would it mess you up if we worked on it.
  • SAIF Glossary
    • Jane is doing ABC. - first 50.
    • Anil will take DH.
    • Ron will take I through P.
    • Steve will do the rest.
    • If glossary term is referenced in CD use the definition in the CD.
    • If the term does not exist, flag for removal.
    • IF you reach the end of day on Monday, and will not be done by Thursday, let us know.
    • Look for terms that have lexical significance, but not semantic correctness.
  • Charlie: If the OASIS guys come up with an operational strategy, what Ken and I discussed that a small group of his people and some of the ARB, if you are interested, let me know. The ideas is to cross-referenct the OASIS work with the SAIF-CD.
  • Zoran: I will be happy to help.
  • Jane:The OASIS document is more generic on Governance. In the current GF, more explecit stuff for governance is pushed into the IG.
  • Zoran: It has lost its sharpness.
  • Jane: A bunch of stuff that used to be there got pushed out. I did a map between the GF and BF language, including the differences and bridging concepts. I would be interested in your feedback. I think have a way to get to compliance statements.
  • Zoran: There are some good things in the SOA REF to look at.
  • Jane: A lot of that goes into the IG - I will be doing artifact definition on the enterprise conceptual so I'll have an opportunity to test the compliance statements before we have to ballot.
  • Anil: I am working with Thomas Erl because I am in Vancouver, so I can work with him. I am helping with the next SOA in healthcare training. It will be good visibility for us.
  • Adjourned at 5:05pm U.S. Eastern.

Tony Julian 21:07, 29 September 2011 (UTC) http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=Arb_meeting_schedule#Teleconferences

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