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==Supporting Information==
 
==Supporting Information==
 
'''FHIR Resources owned by Patient Care'''<br/>
 
'''FHIR Resources owned by Patient Care'''<br/>
[http://hl7-fhir.github.io/resource.html#maturity| Maturity Levels]
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Maturity levels [http://hl7-fhir.github.io/resource.html#maturity]
  
* Questionnaire (2)
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* Questionnaire (2) -- Lloyd will QA to get to 3
* Questionnaire Answer (2)
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* Questionnaire Response (2) -- Lloyd will QA to get to 3
 
* Condition (2)  
 
* Condition (2)  
* AllergyIntolerance (1)
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* AllergyIntolerance (1) -- Rob
 
* Procedure (1)
 
* Procedure (1)
 
Connectathon candidates
 
Connectathon candidates
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* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8646|gForge 8646] Change allergy criticality codes to FHIR-defined (Lloyd McKenzie) Persuasive
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8646|gForge 8646] Change allergy criticality codes to FHIR-defined (Lloyd McKenzie) Persuasive
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8791|gForge 8791] AllergyIntolerance note cardinality (Michelle Miller) Persuasive
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8791|gForge 8791] AllergyIntolerance note cardinality (Michelle Miller) Persuasive
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8931|gForge 8931] Need a way to capture ruled out diagnoses (Lloyd McKenzie) Persuasive
 
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8984|gForge 8984] Add category to search criteria for Procedure (Elliot Silver) Persuasive
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8984|gForge 8984] Add category to search criteria for Procedure (Elliot Silver) Persuasive
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=9192|gForge 9192] Questionnaire item type resource with a profile? (Eric van der Zwan) Persuasive
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=9192|gForge 9192] Questionnaire item type resource with a profile? (Eric van der Zwan) Persuasive
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8604|gForge 8604] FamilyMemberHistory needs explanation of how to record Patient's own history (Russell McDonell) Persuasive with Mod
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8604|gForge 8604] FamilyMemberHistory needs explanation of how to record Patient's own history (Russell McDonell) Persuasive with Mod
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8940|gForge 8940] Goals also needs CodeableConcept as description (Jesper Haffgaard) Persuasive with Mod
 
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8962|gForge 8962] update the definition for FamilyMemberHistory.status (Riki Merrick) Persuasive with Mod
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8962|gForge 8962] update the definition for FamilyMemberHistory.status (Riki Merrick) Persuasive with Mod
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8963|gForge 8963] add description how to capture statement about How many siblings, how many male siblings with condition X? (Riki Merrick) Persuasive with Mod
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8963|gForge 8963] add description how to capture statement about How many siblings, how many male siblings with condition X? (Riki Merrick) Persuasive with Mod
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Pulled from block vote
 
Pulled from block vote
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=9207|gForge 9207] FamilyMedicalHistory does not sufficiently meet adoptive relations (Sean Moore) Not Persuasive
 
* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=9207|gForge 9207] FamilyMedicalHistory does not sufficiently meet adoptive relations (Sean Moore) Not Persuasive
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* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8931|gForge 8931] Need a way to capture ruled out diagnoses (Lloyd McKenzie) Persuasive
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* [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8940|gForge 8940] Goals also needs CodeableConcept as description (Jesper Haffgaard) Persuasive with Mod
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Motion to approve block vote:  Lloyd/Russell, abstain-1, negative-0, approval-5
  
 
=== Prior Action Item Follow-up ===
 
=== Prior Action Item Follow-up ===
 
'''Annotation/Note element name''':  Michelle logged [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=9384| gForge 9384] for MnM to update build tool validation by renaming note element to annotation to avoid confusion with other standalone clinical notes
 
'''Annotation/Note element name''':  Michelle logged [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=9384| gForge 9384] for MnM to update build tool validation by renaming note element to annotation to avoid confusion with other standalone clinical notes
  
'''New Clinical Note Resource''':  Confirm when Grahame is available to join Patient Care FHIR conference call to continue [http://lists.hl7.org/read/messages?id=287158| listserv discussion] related to [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=9304|gForge 9304], which was a request for a new clinical note resource
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'''New Clinical Note Resource''':  Grahame joined Patient Care FHIR conference call to continue [http://lists.hl7.org/read/messages?id=287158| listserv discussion] related to [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=9304|gForge 9304], which was a request for a new clinical note resource
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* Composition -- package related to workflow -- set of sections with supporting data/content
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* Clinical Impression (formally known as Clinical Assessment) -- note that only contains text (could be wrapped into composition) -- scope and usage says "Some clinical assessments simply result in an impression recorded as a single text note in the patient 'record' (e.g. "Progress satisfactory, continue with treatment")..."
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* IF PatientCare proceeds with a new resource for Clinical Note, then there needs to be a clear boundary between ClinicalImpression, Observation, and the new ClinicalNote resource
  
 
'''New CareTeam Resource''':  PA/PC joint discussion led to a proposal to pull out Care Team into its own resource, per [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_id=677&tracker_item_id=9261| gForge 9261].  A new resource proposal is drafted [[CareTeam_FHIR_Resource_Proposal]], but some [http://lists.hl7.org/read/messages?id=286894| listserv discussion] about whether to use Group instead
 
'''New CareTeam Resource''':  PA/PC joint discussion led to a proposal to pull out Care Team into its own resource, per [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_id=677&tracker_item_id=9261| gForge 9261].  A new resource proposal is drafted [[CareTeam_FHIR_Resource_Proposal]], but some [http://lists.hl7.org/read/messages?id=286894| listserv discussion] about whether to use Group instead
 
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* Purpose of Group is underspecified -- some think the data elements look similar, so reuse/profile it -- Lloyd expects Group is useful for research and public health where we want to treat a collection of people/animals (herd, cage, pond) -- actions are taken on the Group, but Groups don't do things, nor do they have legal responsibilities
'''Negation''': Update from Rob/Jay on whether to schedule dedicated call for negation
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* CareTeam (as a whole) is not expected to be an actor. Rather, the individuals within the care team are the actors.
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* CareTeam is more about relationships -- not something to be acted upon
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* More FMG discussion next week
  
 
=== gForge Change Requests ===
 
=== gForge Change Requests ===
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[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=8931| gForge 8931]
  
 
=== Adjourn ===
 
=== Adjourn ===
Adjourned at <hh:mm am/pm> <timezone>.
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Adjourned at 6:30 pm Eastern.
  
 
==Meeting Outcomes==
 
==Meeting Outcomes==
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* Michelle will solicit input from Argonaut to see which vendors have implemented resources (and tested, but not necessarily in prod):  Allergy, Procedure, Family History, CarePlan, and Goal most likely
 
* Michelle will solicit input from Argonaut to see which vendors have implemented resources (and tested, but not necessarily in prod):  Allergy, Procedure, Family History, CarePlan, and Goal most likely
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* Lloyd will check with genomics about testing FamilyMemberHistory at Connectathon
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* Lloyd will check with Keith about testing a workflow scenario with CarePlan, Referral, and Goal
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* Michelle will send QA spreadsheet and Wiki to listserv with list of resources that are candidates for maturity level 3
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* Michelle will update block vote gForge items
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* Update from Rob/Jay on whether to schedule dedicated call for negation
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* Define boundaries between ClinicalImpression, Observation, and a new ClinicalNote resource
 
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Latest revision as of 17:22, 29 January 2016



Meeting Information

Patient Care FHIR Resources Conference Call

Location: Conference Call
Phone Number: +1 770-657-9270
Participant Passcode: 943377
Live Meeting: https://www147.livemeeting.com/cc/_XML/cerner/join?id=8FNF2S&role=attend&pw=m9Kd%7Cx9

Date: 2016-01-28
Time: 5-6:30pm ET
Facilitator Michelle M Miller Note taker(s) Michelle M Miller
Attendee Name Affiliation


Elaine Ayres NIH/Department of Clinical Research Informatics
Stephen Chu
X Eric Haas Haas Consulting
X Rob Hausam Hausam Consulting LLC
Laura Heermann-Langford Intermountain Healthcare
X Emma Jones Allscripts
Russ Leftwich InterSystems
Jay Lyle Ockham Information Services LLC, VA
Sarah Maulden VA
Jim McClay Univ of Nebraska Medical Center
X Russell McDonell Telstra Health
X Lloyd McKenzie Gevity (HL7 Canada)
Larry McKnight Cerner
X Michelle M Miller Cerner
Lisa Nelson Life Over Time Solutions
Viet Nguyen Systems Made Simple
X M'Lynda Owens
Craig Parker Intermountain Healthcare
Scott Robertson Kaiser Permanente
X Simon Sum Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
Iona Thraen Dept of Veterans Affairs
X Margaret Dittloff
Quorum Requirements Met: yes

Agenda

Agenda Topics

  1. Agenda review
  2. Approve previous meeting minutes: 2016-01-21_Patient_Care_FHIR_Call
    • Motion: Rob/LLoyd Abstain - 0, Negative - 0, Approve - 5
  3. FHIR Maturity Model Level
  4. Block Vote
  5. Prior Action Item Follow-up
    • annotation/note element name
    • new note resource
    • new care team resource
    • negation next steps
  6. gForge change requests

Supporting Information

FHIR Resources owned by Patient Care
Maturity levels [1]

  • Questionnaire (2) -- Lloyd will QA to get to 3
  • Questionnaire Response (2) -- Lloyd will QA to get to 3
  • Condition (2)
  • AllergyIntolerance (1) -- Rob
  • Procedure (1)

Connectathon candidates

  • CarePlan (1)
  • Goal (1)
  • Referral Request (1)
  • FamilyMemberHistory (1)

Lower priority resources

  • Procedure Request (1)
  • Flag (1)
  • ClinicalImpression (0) -- goal to move to level 1 by next release
  • Communication (1)
  • CommunicationRequest (1)


Note: Contraindication and Risk Assessment are owned by CDS, not Patient Care

Minutes

Block Vote

Balloters

  • Elliot Silver
  • Eric van der Zwan
  • Jesper Haffgaard
  • Lloyd McKenzie
  • Michele Mottini
  • Michelle Miller
  • Riki Merrick
  • Russell McDonell
  • Sean Moore

Line Items

  • 9174 QuestionnaireResponse 'subject' search parameter reference types (Michele Mottini) Considered - Question Answered
  • 9210 Include Dental Procedures in Procedure.Category (Sean Moore) Not Persuasive
  • 8646 Change allergy criticality codes to FHIR-defined (Lloyd McKenzie) Persuasive
  • 8791 AllergyIntolerance note cardinality (Michelle Miller) Persuasive
  • 8984 Add category to search criteria for Procedure (Elliot Silver) Persuasive
  • 9192 Questionnaire item type resource with a profile? (Eric van der Zwan) Persuasive
  • 8604 FamilyMemberHistory needs explanation of how to record Patient's own history (Russell McDonell) Persuasive with Mod
  • 8962 update the definition for FamilyMemberHistory.status (Riki Merrick) Persuasive with Mod
  • 8963 add description how to capture statement about How many siblings, how many male siblings with condition X? (Riki Merrick) Persuasive with Mod

Pulled from block vote

  • 9207 FamilyMedicalHistory does not sufficiently meet adoptive relations (Sean Moore) Not Persuasive
  • 8931 Need a way to capture ruled out diagnoses (Lloyd McKenzie) Persuasive
  • 8940 Goals also needs CodeableConcept as description (Jesper Haffgaard) Persuasive with Mod

Motion to approve block vote: Lloyd/Russell, abstain-1, negative-0, approval-5

Prior Action Item Follow-up

Annotation/Note element name: Michelle logged gForge 9384 for MnM to update build tool validation by renaming note element to annotation to avoid confusion with other standalone clinical notes

New Clinical Note Resource: Grahame joined Patient Care FHIR conference call to continue listserv discussion related to 9304, which was a request for a new clinical note resource

  • Composition -- package related to workflow -- set of sections with supporting data/content
  • Clinical Impression (formally known as Clinical Assessment) -- note that only contains text (could be wrapped into composition) -- scope and usage says "Some clinical assessments simply result in an impression recorded as a single text note in the patient 'record' (e.g. "Progress satisfactory, continue with treatment")..."
  • IF PatientCare proceeds with a new resource for Clinical Note, then there needs to be a clear boundary between ClinicalImpression, Observation, and the new ClinicalNote resource

New CareTeam Resource: PA/PC joint discussion led to a proposal to pull out Care Team into its own resource, per gForge 9261. A new resource proposal is drafted CareTeam_FHIR_Resource_Proposal, but some listserv discussion about whether to use Group instead

  • Purpose of Group is underspecified -- some think the data elements look similar, so reuse/profile it -- Lloyd expects Group is useful for research and public health where we want to treat a collection of people/animals (herd, cage, pond) -- actions are taken on the Group, but Groups don't do things, nor do they have legal responsibilities
  • CareTeam (as a whole) is not expected to be an actor. Rather, the individuals within the care team are the actors.
  • CareTeam is more about relationships -- not something to be acted upon
  • More FMG discussion next week

gForge Change Requests

gForge 8931

Adjourn

Adjourned at 6:30 pm Eastern.

Meeting Outcomes

Actions
  • Michelle will solicit input from Argonaut to see which vendors have implemented resources (and tested, but not necessarily in prod): Allergy, Procedure, Family History, CarePlan, and Goal most likely
  • Lloyd will check with genomics about testing FamilyMemberHistory at Connectathon
  • Lloyd will check with Keith about testing a workflow scenario with CarePlan, Referral, and Goal
  • Michelle will send QA spreadsheet and Wiki to listserv with list of resources that are candidates for maturity level 3
  • Michelle will update block vote gForge items
  • Update from Rob/Jay on whether to schedule dedicated call for negation
  • Define boundaries between ClinicalImpression, Observation, and a new ClinicalNote resource
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items
  1. Agenda review
  2. Approve previous meeting minutes
    • Motion: <moved>/<seconded> Abstain - <#>, Negative - <#>, Approve - <#>
  3. gForge change request

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