Tooling WGM 2012Jan17

Tooling Minutes 2012Jan WGM 2012-01-17

Tooling Meeting Tuesday Q1

Tuesday Q1 Meeting Information

HL7 Tooling Meeting Agenda/Minutes Location: 2012Jan WGM, Regency 1, San Antonio TX	Date: 2012-01-17 Time: 9:00 am CST
Facilitator: Jane Curry	Note taker(s): Lynn Laakso
Attendee	Name, Affiliation
x	Nasron Cheong, InterfaceWare
x	Freida Hall, Quest and T3SD
x	Jane Curry, Co-Chair
regrets	Tim Ireland, co-chair
x	Lynn Laakso, HL7 HQ Tooling Support
x	Jason Murphy, CHI
x	Rajan Rai, CHI
regrets	Andy Stechishin, Co-chair
x	Phil Wilford, NEHTA AUS
Scanned attendance
Quorum Requirements Met (co-chair plus 3 counting staff): yes

Agenda

Agenda Topics

• Roll Call & Agenda Review
• Introduction to Tooling Work Group - Processes, Projects & Collaborations
• Other/New Business

Supporting Documents

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
Call to order at 9:08 AM CST

• Roll Call & Agenda Review
• Jane introduces herself and asks for introductions from attendees. Phil Wilford, NEHTA AUS; Rajan Rai, CHI interested from the perspective of a Canadian tooling initiative. Nasron Cheong, CTO InterfaceWare; Freida Hall, Quest Diagnostics and T3SD cochair. Jason Murphy, CHI - seeking comparison of different messages/structures and documents.
• Jane presents her slide deck.
  • Nasran asks if the artifact repository is currently available. Jane reports it is just getting started.
  • Freida asks if MWB is available through the repository. It is on the Tooling page and GForge but is not currently being maintained.
  • Rajiv asks if the requirements configuration and release process is different for different domains within V3 - Jane notes that all the domains use the same tools but some work groups have prototype tools for implementation guides within the CDA area for example. He asks which version of V3 Generator is in use - Jane reports that the Canadian version of the V3 Generator has not been fully adopted in HL7 International but is expected to be generally available in 2012.
  • Jane notes the important message with the current Tooling Architecture, that the diagram is very complex as there are a lot of pieces and a lot of moving parts.
  • Phil asks if it is a set of schema; Jane notes it is XML with some schematron. Phil notes that much tooling is not useful to be incorporated into downstream software. Jane adds that these tools were not developed with that in mind. The HL7 volunteers who produce specifications as domain experts, some interface analysts, and widely varying backgrounds. The tools evolved to enforce methodology rules to create coherence. They are intended to be used in standards development. Downstream tooling is more the focus of RIMBAA. Jane jumps to the Full life cycle of standards and their adoption to demonstrate where HL7 tools currently fit. We focus on the upstream parts of the cycle. There are some tools that can be used further downstream. HL7 doesn't build tools for software, as that is what our members do. The request to make tools that produce outputs easier to consume has been heard. Phil asks about other tooling for V2 versions; Jane suggests the Messaging Work Bench is the best tool for all versions. Freida adds that Oracle adopted the HL7 tool.
  • Jane continues her slideshow.
  • Phil asks if she could show a MIF schema. Jane notes there are about 16 of them. Phil notes they have a CDA schema they use with schematron they would like to use with MIF that thy have been working with Andy Stechishin.
  • She adds that we have a tooling challenge and shows the Tooling Challenge page. There is also an MnM page that talks about the challenges with MIF in other model exchange using XMI. We'll be gathering suggestions and sending out a Doodle poll to select, and evaluating criteria to judge. Anticipate announcement by email. Rajan asks if there is a repository where the vendors and users can log their issues; Jane directs him to the GForge trackers. There is a section on the Tooling wiki page to describe how you can engage with the Tooling group, and enter information for the Tooling Requests.
  • Phil asks about the location of the MIF files; Jane shows him the MIF Schemas project on GForge and describes the difference between the publicly available Eclipse public license versions and the full version available to members. Phil's question is how they get applied to live implementations. Jane suggests that RIMBAA is who deals with that. XML schemas based on MIF representation are included in all our publications.
  • General query which areas attendees are interested in engaging with: Rajan notes that Canada is using common inquiries on lab messaging for compliance with HL7 standard, such as Libraries of data elements with changes needed going from namespace into a domain space. Not enough tooling specification detail in Canadian IGs for expected field length for CD, for example. Jane notes that some of that may fall to the Implementable Technology Specification WG.

Recessed at 10:34 AM CST

Meeting Outcomes

Actions .

Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items see Tooling_WGM_2012_Jan for Q2.

Tooling Meeting Tuesday Q2

Tuesday Q2 Meeting Information

HL7 Tooling Meeting Agenda/Minutes Location: 2012Jan WGM, Regency 1, San Antonio TX	Date: 2012-01-17 Time: 11:00 am CST
Facilitator: Jane Curry	Note taker(s): Lynn Laakso
Attendee	Name, Affiliation
x	Woody Beeler
x	Stacey Berger, COH
x	Sasha Boijcic, CHI
x	Jane Curry, Co-Chair
x	Lynn Laakso, HL7 HQ Tooling Support
x	Jason Murphy, CHI
x	Rajan Rai, CHI
x	Andy Stechishin, Co-chair
regrets	Tim Ireland, co-chair
Scanned attendance
Quorum Requirements Met (co-chair plus 3 counting staff): yes

Agenda

Agenda Topics

• Roll Call & Agenda Review
• MAX Project update (15 min), Stacy Berger shows his slide presentation
• Woody Beeler - Eclipse explorations.
• Tactical plan update
• Other/New Business

Supporting Documents

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
Call to order 11:12 AM CST

• MAX Project update (15 min), Stacy Berger shows his slide presentation
  • State of flux with Stacy change of day job responsibilities
  • If Stacy cannot continue, can the prototype (using Sparx EA) be made available for someone else to pick up? Stacy thinks so. Woody notes that TSC identified the need for UML models coming from EHR. Woody is contemplating publishing from EA and Rational, finding a common format between EA and Rational in emx and not XMI, which may be Eclipse-based. He can import RIM into EA with EMX import. He wants to be able to go downstream, to MIF, for publishing purposes. Woody shows the RIM import in EA billboard and corresponding Rational screens.
• Woody Beeler - Eclipse explorations, Eclipse code generation for HL7 applications. This was his pet project this year to play with EMF. He reviewed a slide show. Sasha asks if it goes round trip with EMF to UML and back. Woody believes it will, as an XML file using MIF schema. Sasha asks if Woody had a chance to generate Java code from one of these instances. Andy says they use the xsd definition of MIF to use and generate MIF files. The Java code it generates uses that input. Woody demonstrates that it does create very straightforward objects, such as a class for each datatype. Sasha notes they're looking at MIF-based code generation, using MIF content. Woody is looking at tools to edit MIF content. Andy notes that he recommended putting this into the project for Tooling Documentation and made a sandbox entry. We may want to make a project for MIF-based publishing as an encouragement to have others bring their contributions. Jane suggests a wiki page, linked from Tooling and Publishing, and use it to collect ideas from people. Woody suggests converting the ppt to a wiki page. Jane suggests we evaluate what other tooling initiatives we want to use this with. Woody shows the current location of the gforge SVN sandbox. ACTION ITEM: Andy will create a wiki from the ppt.
  • Jane asks how this work will contribute to our tactical plan, our things-to-do list.
• Tactical plan update - Jane shows the estimate that we put together prior to Christmas, in excess of the capacity of the Board to fund activities we wish to pursue.
  • If COH cannot attract resources to continue the MAX project we may wish to seek funding, whether from the Board budget or the Tooling Challenge. Thursday Q2 we'll be discussing what we'll be recommending for funding. She shows the Tooling TCO and 2012 Working Budget Spreadsheet. Added UML Class Model Publishing under Publishing Tooling, and noted that the MAX project is not currently on the list. Trifolia is being trialed with the consolidated CA Templates. Evaluation of the MWB for Vocabulary maintenance stalled in 2011. They haven't figured out how to represent vocab from MIF 2.16 to 2.2. Ted and Russ would like to enhance the maintenance so that others can take up the mantle. We need requirements for the MIF enabled import/export. Jane also noted that the OID registry updates need to be represented on the list and the interaction with ES; discussion ensued. Andy will attend Vocab Weds Q4 to address.

MWB is requested to re-platform by CGIT. Doesn't seem likely as the maintainer is not releasing source code.

Meeting Outcomes

Actions Andy will create a wiki from the ppt Woody presented on the Eclipse code generation for HL7 applications.

Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items see Tooling_WGM_2012_Jan for Thursday.

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