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MnM Minutes WGM 201709 San Diego

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MnM 2017 Sept San Diego WGM Minutes

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Mon Q3 - Future of V3

  • Non Quorate (only Abdul Malik Shakir in attendance)

Mon Q4 - Joint w/ FHIR-I - Workflow

Wed Q1 Joint w/ Vocab & FHIR-I

  • See vocabulary minutes

Wed Q2 Joint w/ Vocab

  • See vocabulary minutes

Wed Q3 FHIR QA Criteria & trackers


  • Ron Shapiro (chair/scribe)
  • Lloyd McKenzie
  • Christiaan Knaap


  • review FHIR QA Conformance Tracker spreadsheet and come up with list of enhancements/changes
  • motion to withdraw Core Principles R1 and [unpublished] R2
    • Lloyd/Christiaan 2-0-0
  • Motion to approve PSS reaffirming Data Types R2
    • Lloyd/Christiaan 2-0-0

Thur Q1 - Future of v3

  • Non Quorate (only Abdul Malik Shakir in attendance)

Thur Q2 - FHIR trackers

  • Non Quorate (only Ron Shapiro & Lloyd McKenzie in attendance)



See 2017-09 Roundtable attendees.jpg


John Loonsk (PHER)

  • Advancing Electronic Case Reporting (eCR) Standards through FHIR
  • See attached presentation


Rob Hausam (Vocab)

  • Probably a couple of "smaller" harmonization proposals
  • Will be adding to CapabilityStatement or perhaps a separate resource

Michel Rutten (Furore): Report (Devices)

  • Devices is creating complex profiles with IGs, etc. May have useful expertise for other WGs

Austin Krysler (SD + Product Line architecture)

  • Modification to mission & charter to assert being the methodology lead for CDA
  • CDA 2.1 will pass (will need to resolve negatives)
  • Product Line Architecture - standing up CDA management group
  • Boundaries for CDA-MG and SD is v3 CDA - core v3 methodology = MnM; FHIR methodology - FHIR
  • Working to get CIMI established as a methodology group
  • SGB will be thinking about cross-product-line methodology

Amnon Shabo (CG)

  • Has been developing v2/v3/CDA/FHIR - challenges w/ misalignment
  • Working w/ CIMI on detailed genomic models independent of standards

Eric Haas (OO)

  • Trying to find boundaries between Observation/Media/Binary/DocumentReference/Attachment
  • Working w/ II to try to create boundaries. May involve updates to some of the artifacts

Virginia Lorenzi (Education)

  • FHIR Proficiency test - general availability for new year. Good for HL7 facilitators to take as level-setting
  • Will offer committee facilitator training in New Orleans. Need to figure out when - suggestions for time welcome

Grahame Grieve (FHIR)

  • Product Director report will include requests for community consultation on substantive changes
    • changes to Observation related types
    • remove imaging manifest
    • Valueset.compose -> ValueSet.definition
  • New resource proposals - will be asking for high-level areas for what might be added

Ted Klein (Vocab)

  • UTG (Universal Terminology Governance)
    • Replace harmonization process & tooling
    • Proof of concept demonstrated this week based on FHIR resources & tooling
    • Aim to have functioning prototype in New Orleans w/ transition before Sept.
    • Will be arranging for education on new tool suite next year
  • Harmonization


  • Has been developing data analysis models
  • Have seldom produced HL7 specifications
  • Exercise medicine DAM may go forward to FHIR IG, plus one other
  • Working w/ CIMI to figure out how to do that process

Lloyd McKenzie (MnM/FHIR)

  • MnM has voted to initiate the process to withdraw HL7 Core Principles on the grounds of low interest
  • QA criteria spreadsheet is now ready - covers *all* artifacts

Workflow patterns


  • Tue November 28 w/ 29th as a spillover day
  • Anticipate a light cycle - possibly only one day
  • Proposals due midnight Eastern Oct 28
  • Final proposals due by midnight Eastern Nov. 25
  • No late proposals accepted