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December 10, 2014 Education Telecon

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  • Ken Chen - Co-Chair/Scribe
  • Diego Kaminker - Co-Chair
  • Sharon Chaplock - HL7 Education Director
  • Mary Ann Boyle - HL7 Education Manager
  • Virginia Lorenzi - NY Presbyterian
  • Melanie Hillard - HL7 Marketing

Quorum: Met

Meeting Agenda/Minutes

Draft Agenda for January 2015 WGM

Action action Ken will ask if Mary Ann about Ginny V3 Messaging at January 2015 WGM

Certification exam questions based on current V2.x normative standard vs previous V2.5.1 and below

  • US-centric MU vs current version (ie. 2.5.1 being more 'meaningful' in the US)
  • Possibly combining multiple versions and creating a 'base' V2 certification exam.
  • More discussion is needed from the listserv as this is a great discussion.
  • Two issues, existing certification based on theory, and implementation
  • Difficult to keeping track for all version and create new questions for all versions for the exam.
  • Resources are limited for this and needs.
  • Examples: HIMSS has criteria before you can take the certification exam.
Action item: More discussion on Certification exam agenda on the listserv.

Request from HL7 Russia to have the CDA Certifcation exam translated into russian

  • Would like to translate the CDA certification exam into russian
  • Need and native russian resource for possible task
  • Would need to be reviewed by the Certification task force before approval.
  • Spain and other Latin American affiliates requested translation of the tests too.
  • We do not want the affiliate to control the questions. We prefer less people to be in contact with the questions: only the test author and the Director of Education
  • One of the reasons of going for electronic testing is avoiding leaking of questions. We had some incidents in the past.
  • Resources are limited
Action item: Sharon will find resources on who is willing to translate and the cost. 

HL7 Learning Partner Proposal

  • Waiting for proposal from Rene Spronk.
  • Rene (Sept. 30) draft ready, pending review by potential educational partners. Will be submitted to Education after final tweaks.
  • October 1: no discussion - waiting for proposal from Rene
  • No information from Rene for this proposal
  • October 15: Issue will be deferred until information is received from Rene.
  • November 12: Deferred
Action:  Melva to reach out to Rene to get a status


  • SAIF Webinar
    • will be recorded at the WGM
    • Feb 5, 2014: Ron's day job interfered with his available time to record. He is looking to reschedule but no word yet.
    • May 21, 2014: Ron still has not had the time to engage the SAIF Webinar
    • June 4: No updates since last conference call, Melva will continue to follow up
    • October 1, 2014: No update
Action item: Melva follow up with Lorraine again about SAIF Webinar - email sent November 10 - Will be reviewed on ARB next week

Tutorial Planning-DEFERRED

  • Core tutorials on HL7 Standards, and have specialized tutorials alternated between WGM
  • Start with the January WGM tutorials
  • Rene Spronk has some draft stats on Education events that will be discussed in Chicago
  • Continue discussion of stats that would be useful
    • Education Offering Dashboard
      • This was an action item allocated to me during the WGM in Chicago. The usefulness of the various metrics probably merits additional discussion. Once there is agreement on a 'starter set of metrics' we'll have to create a mechanism to actually get hold of them.
    • Rene has created the statistics wiki page.
    • Number that Rene has on the wiki is not consistent to the actual numbers
  • Focus on HL7 HQ stats first and quality measures.
  • Location included in the statistic as may impact attendance/participation
Action: Education WG Members to review Wiki page for next teleconference
Action:  Education WG Members are asked to send suggestions for other stats or types of stat to capture

Discussion of Certification Exams and Ed Summits

  • v2 Workshop Project - no discussion
    • Patrick will join an Education teleconference to discuss further
    • October 1, 2014 - no discussion as Patrick not on call
    • October 15, 2014 - Melva has reached out to Patrick without response.
      • Diego has volunteers to take this on via email.
      • Damian would be interested in participate.
Action: Ginny to following up with Damien to help with wiki setup.
Action item: Melva will follow up with Patrick on this project - will suggest that we will either close the project or transfer the project to Diego (as Project Facilitator) - Melva to reach out to Patrick to have him join the call on November 26

Updates to the Certification exams

  • Sharon has analyzed the certifications and will need to possibly revise the questions.
    • Sharon would like to create a taskforce to review the questions on the exams.
      • Qualifications needed to be on the taskforce:
        • The group will be comprised of volunteers from the tutorial speaker pool to review the certification exam
        • Must have attended/audit the actual tutorial
        • Must be approved by the Education Committee
    • Sharon is working on an outline for a plan and guidelines for updates to existing and also for developing FHIR into a Certification Exam
    • Will bring back more information after meeting with Melva, Sharon and Mary Ann in August
    • Discussion of planning item back writing session during January 2015 WGM
      • Difficult to pull in the resourses (SME) to find time to collaborate and focus on questions during WGM.
Action: Sharon has drafted the process and will continue to work on the planning of a group to review the material.
Action: Sharon will send new draft to the listserv.

Strategy for HL7 V2 Exam Updates

  • Ted Klein presented on strategy for updating Control Specialist exam to V2.8
  • will look at the statistics on the performance of the questions on the 2.7 exam and look at the non-performing questions and fix these ones
  • Questions from Ted:
    • update to V2.8, v2.8.1 or v2.8.2 -
      • 2.8.1 has been balloted as normative
      • will update to V2.8 - will avoid changes specific to 2.8.1 or 2.8.2 - Education WG agrees with this approach
      • need to determine if in the future we want to want to certify to major releases or minor releases.
    • Approach for updating the test
      • 6 questions identified that could be added to the test (means 6 questions would be removed)
      • 2 things to change/update
      • 2 items to verify in existing questions
      • update questions with incorrect answer rates > 66% and < 5%
      • it was suggested that Ted is much more familiar with the exam and the standard and that if he believes these need to be changed, then do so
      • it was suggested that the changes be vetted with Hans, Tony and Patrick
      • suggested that the exam be reviewed with Sharon
    • Total number of changes will be between 25-30 questions
    • draft of changes to be done by the end of December 2014
    • asked Ted to
    • requests for certification tests for specific versions - need to discuss whether we should offer these or whether we should test only the latest version
Action:  Melva to post a question to the Education List

MLM Certification - DEFERRED

  • Suggestion from Virginia for a certification test for "Medical Logic Modules"====
    • Its very stable, self-contained, and people are hired as MLM developers. Several large EHR vendors use MLM as the way of programming custom CDS into their systems. We use it at NYP. A certification in this might look good on a resume
    • Discussion: need more details and consider how it fits with Arden Syntax WG
Action item: Ginny will reach out to the Arden Syntax WG Chair to collaborate with this certification test.
Action item: Ginny will try to invite them to the call.
  • Peter Haig to join call to discuss

Webinar Planning for 2015- DEFERRED

  • Discussion of proposed webinar topics for 2015
    • Melva has sent out an email to the list
    • Sharon has received a comment request for FHIR tutorials
    • Melva created a wiki page for Webinars topics and would like ideas for next year.
    • Karen comments based on case studies as topics
    • Sharon needs items/brainstorming on ideas.
  • Creation of policy webinars in development for 2015
    • Possibly having case studies
    • Implementation case studies
      • Taking this to the Co-chairs for feedback and looking for ideas
  • FHIR webinar are being developed currently.
  • Melva has sent an email to the Co-chairs for case studies and Sharon will include article/request in HL7 eNews
Action item: Sharon will ask International Council for webinar ideas
Action item: Melanie will reach out to the affiliates as well to determine if they might be willing to advertise webinars

Current resources and reading material - DEFFERRED

  • Will look at the list to determine how we can use it
    • Ken is still working on a the list. As soon as it is completed, we will place it as an agenda item.
    • Still compiling list but researching a possible open source library software called Koha.
    • Ken Chen is still working on the resource list. Koha software has become an option with the latest version.
    • Damian will be intested in helping.
Action: Ken will create the PSS for this resource list and present it to the WG

Transformation of Education WG - DEFERRED

  • Continue discussion of how we can transform Education WG
    • Could consider transforming the Education WG to a Advisory Board.
  • Trend over many years has been Up and down with the collaboration between HQ and Education Committee.
  • Possible dissolve the Education WG and transform to a new entity.
  • No board appointed co-chairs for WG anymore.
  • Special topics for the WGM Luncheon to get more involvement.
  • Slide deck for special topic for the WGM and advertise ahead for more interest.
Action: Continue discussion with Education WG transformation.
Action:  Add agenda item to work on a slide deck for WGM to attract new members
Action:  Consider special topics for teleconference and invite via eNews, etc


Next meeting

  • Next meeting - December 17, 2014 at 11 am Eastern