2017-10-18 SGB Conference Call

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HL7 SGB Minutes

Location:
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Date: 2017-MM-DD
Time: 10:00 AM Eastern
Facilitator Paul/Calvin Note taker(s) Anne
Attendee Name


Calvin Beebe
x Lorraine Constable
x Russ Hamm
x Tony Julian
x Paul Knapp
Austin Kreisler
Wayne Kubick
x Thom Kuhn
Ken McCaslin
Rik Smithies
Sandy Stuart
x Mary Kay McDaniel
Quorum: Chair + 4

Agenda

  • Agenda review
  • Approve Minutes of 2017-10-11_SGB_Conference_Call
  • Action Items
    • Review GOM with respect to where SGB and precepts should be reflected
    • Recommend to TSC to work with CTO on architecture and tooling strategy to support the work of the committees in following the precepts
    • Schedule joint meeting with FGB for precept review
    • Anne to invite EST cochairs, David, and Laura to 2017-10-25 call
      • Complete
    • Ask Vocab to approve a motion that it was the WG’s intention in R3 for the Expansion profile to be balloted as STU. If PA has not documented approval, send them the same message
    • Paul to verify with Karen that the documentation on the FHIR R3 ballot STU approvals is sufficient
    • Anne to invite Linda and Andrew to Friday's CDAMG call as provisional candidates awaiting confirmation from the TSC
      • Complete
    • Anne to alert Wayne to bring to TSC on Monday
      • Complete; is on 2017-10-23 TSC agenda
    • Anne to add Life Cycle Management Strategy to TSC agenda
      • Complete; is on 2017-10-23 TSC agenda
  • Discussion Topics
    • SGB to review concept of liaison role to SGB (issue from TSC review of CIMI M&C)
    • Finish review of mixed ballot content precept
    • Precept implementation strategy
    • Backwards compatibility consistency and definition across families
  • Precepts to Develop:
    • SGB to produce a precept requiring that, in order to publish a specification, it has to be conformant to any harmonization patterns that HL7 has published
    • State Machine Alignment
    • How groups are to interact with Publishing, EST, Vocabulary, etc. WGs
    • Engaging the implementer community in the consideration of changes as artifacts mature
    • Engagement in large cross-organizational projects
    • How management groups document, enforce, and manage the precepts regarding inter-WG participation in artifact creation
    • Management groups must establish in writing a refinement of examples that adhere to the definition of substantive change that apply to their product family. Must monitor, audit, and measure conformance to the definition of substantive change.
    • The addition of new tools (with EST)
    • Managing unresponsive parties in PSS approval process
    • Vocabulary
    • Training WGs in CDA methodology and management principles
    • Vitality Assessment
  • Parking Lot
    • Review Publishing M&C updates regarding dual roles
    • How do we deal with making sure that WGs involve those whose content domain they’re touching? (CIMI and Pharmacy and Lab models)
    • Review Mission and Charter
    • Handling situations where two documents come out of one project
    • FHIR Product Director Position Description: we should 1) review further and draft feedback, then 2) map back the description to the role of FGB
    • Drafting Shared Product Management Responsibilities
    • Levels of standards
    • Separation of concerns
    • Ownership of content
    • ISM
    • Ask methodology groups to define how the definition of substantive change applies to their product family; management groups must then operationalize

Minutes

  • Agenda review
  • Approve Minutes of 2017-10-11_SGB_Conference_Call
    • MOTION to approve: Thom/Lorraine
    • VOTE: Lorraine abstains. Remaining in favor.
  • Action Items
    • Review GOM with respect to where SGB and precepts should be reflected
      • Add for next week
    • Recommend to TSC to work with CTO on architecture and tooling strategy to support the work of the committees in following the precepts
      • Add for next week
    • Schedule joint meeting with FGB for precept review
      • Add for next week
    • Anne to invite EST cochairs, David, and Laura to 2017-10-25 call
      • Complete
    • Ask Vocab to approve a motion that it was the WG’s intention in R3 for the Expansion profile to be balloted as STU. If PA has not documented approval, send them the same message
      • Add for next week
    • Paul to verify with Karen that the documentation on the FHIR R3 ballot STU approvals is sufficient
      • Add for next week
    • Anne to invite Linda and Andrew to Friday's CDAMG call as provisional candidates awaiting confirmation from the TSC
      • Complete
    • Anne to alert Wayne to bring to TSC on Monday
      • Complete; is on 2017-10-23 TSC agenda. Wayne was not sure that he was the one who needed to take to TSC; consulted M&C and it can come right from SGB.
    • Anne to add Life Cycle Management Strategy to TSC agenda
      • Complete; is on 2017-10-23 TSC agenda
  • Discussion Topics
    • SGB to review concept of liaison role to SGB (issue from TSC review of CIMI M&C)
      • Discussion over "Implementation guidance for the appropriate use of products." Freida had asked on TSC if this meant they would produce implementation guide. Changed bullet to read "Guidance for the development of products following product family methodology."
      • Discussion over whether the liaison statement means we add another member to the group, and if so, does the SGB mission and charter need to be updated to include liaisons. Reviewed SGB Mission and Charter. Intention was not to have representation by each of the product families, but have people who had knowledge of them. Membership on the committee is not required. Added "the SGB coordinates with the Management Groups through liaisons identified by the Management Groups."
        • MOTION to approve the edits to our M&C, the CIMI M&C, and the boilerplate M&C: Lorraine/Thom
        • VOTE: All in favor
        • ACTION: Add M&C and boilerplate changes to TSC agenda
        • If TSC approves boilerplate changes, add changes to CIMI-MG agenda
    • Prep for joint call with EST next week
      • Question: Does tooling need precepts to support their M&C? Agreement in San Diego that it would be helpful to have one around introducing new tools. Tooling needs to be empowered to make the decisions. Does TSC agree that's the role of Tooling? If not, who would it be? One model is that we have a centralized decision making process as to what tooling is acceptable within the community. Lorraine notes that we need more rigor around the tools we use to create the standards. Reviewed EST mission and charter. Bullets three through five state that this is the body that is supposed to be doing the work on implementing new tools. Thom asks if there is anything in the PSS template asking about tooling. Nothing is currently in the PSS to reflect need or desire for additional tooling. Next week we'll have an open discussion with EST to gather information for further conversation with TSC and SGB.
    • Finish review of mixed ballot content precept
    • Precept implementation strategy
    • Backwards compatibility consistency and definition across families

Meeting Outcomes

Actions
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