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ARB - Meeting September 9-15 2012

Logistics

Hyatt Regency Baltimore on the Inner Harbor, Baltimore MD, USA

Agenda

Sunday September 9, 2012

Q1

  1. Call to order
  2. Roll Call
  3. Approval of Quarters agenda
  4. Approval of WGM agenda
  5. Approval of minutes
  6. Report from Architecure Project
  7. Business Architecture Model
  8. Other business and Planning
  9. Adjournment

Q2

  1. Call to order
  2. Roll Call
  3. Approval of Quarters agenda
  4. Business Architecture Model
  5. Adjournment

Q3

  1. Call to order
  2. Roll Call
  3. Approval of Quarters agenda
  4. Business Architecture Model
  5. Other business and Planning
  6. Adjournment

Thursday September 13, 2012

Q3

  1. Call to order
  2. Roll Call
  3. Approval of Quarters agenda
  4. Item 1
  5. Item 2
  6. Other business and Planning
  7. Adjournment

Q4

  1. Call to order
  2. Roll Call
  3. Approval of Quarters agenda
  4. Item 1
  5. Item 2
  6. Other business and Planning
  7. Adjournment


Minutes

Sunday September 9, 2012

Sunday Q1

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Baltimore, MD USA

Date: 20120909
Time: 9:00am U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Charlie Mead Note taker(s) Julian, Tony
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
X Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
X Grieve, Grahame Health Intersections Pty Ltd
X Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
X Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
X Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
. Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
X Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Guests
. Lloyd McKenzie HL7 Canada
. Legend
X Present
. Absent
R Regrets
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes

  1. Call to order at 9:00am
  2. Agenda approved
  3. Charlie: What would FHIR like us to stay away from, and what to engage?
  4. Grahame: Formal task to define FHIR methodology, and implementation guide. Held a Draft-for-comment ballot, and connect-athon. We may get Arb involved in the architecture. Where does FHRI fit in the architecture?
  5. Ron: The BAM will rely on the people in the room to rely on experiences of people in the room. WIll use FHIR as the startup project, but did not want to burden the FHIR team. FHIR can help us define the behavior of the business, how you would see what your are doing rolling out in that model.
  6. Charlie: Directive from the TSC that the 2bBAM must include separation of product lines, with product line management. There may be core and derived product lines. There will be a clean separation between Management, governance, and methodology(MGM).
  7. Grahame: There is a gap between product lines from a BAM aspect. V2 and FHIR are platform products.
  8. Charlie: What does it mean to define a product line? Differences in MGM will indicate separate product lines. TSC believes that data-types may discrimnate product lines.
  9. Grahame: 21090 is not a product line.
  10. Charlie:TSC wants to focus on the 21090 problem.
  11. Ron: everone is struggling with deliniation of talking about/managing product lines. Each line does not have a single homogenous methodology. Part of challenge is to have people who are familiar with what they do now understand where they are places, and discover white-space. Bo will be the methodologist for the excercise - provide the rigor. We will start coarse-grained, and drill down. Most of August 30 call was centered on methodology for today.
  12. TSC report:
  13. Charlie: We have a basic framework based on TOGAF, ARCHIMATE, and OMG with SAIF-CD applied where feasable. We should include product line management and MGM. There was discussion of whether tonights presentation to the TSC should be wide, or deep. TSC wants it to be little bit wide, and little bit deep. In Vancouver there was a tutorial on governance with HL7 mappings. Two hours were terminology, 2 hours were methodology for services, 2 hours mapping the 11 step process into HL7 specifics, mapping the 32 governance precepts into HL7. TSC will do the risk profile. Charlie presented the mapping of the Thomas Erl to HL7. TSC made a few changes.
  14. Ron: We took the process of foundational elements and mapped it out into product development stages.
    1. Product-Line Adoption Planning ?
    2. Product Line Inventory ?
    3. CONCEPTUAL LEVEL Requirements ?
    4. Logical level artifact definition ?
    5. Logical level bindings ?
    6. Implementation Guide development ?
    7. Balloting Publication and Balloting ?
    8. DSTU Testing ?
    9. External publication of Specifications?
    10. Education and Marketing ?
    11. Artifact Versioning and Retirement (primarily controlled by ANSI et al).
  15. Bo: Framework for the BAM is the why/who/what/how the when is a container. Are there breakpoints in the timeline for the steps?
  16. Charlie: This reflects what is done, and reflects a generic product line process.
  17. Bo: Apply this to why/who/what/how.
  18. Charlie: Apply to product model process.
  19. Bo: Model the steps sequentially, will give us the breadth.
  20. Charlie: These steps are not necessarily one time through.
  21. Bo: Focus on enumeration of things.
  22. Charlie: We have addressed one of two principles - product line development. The HL7 process steps are placed in a table where rows are 11 precepts, columns activities, risks, precepts, process pattern, metrics.
  23. The group spent the remainder of the time beginning to fill out the table.

Sunday Q2

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Baltimore, MD USA

Date: 20120909
Time: 11:00am U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Charlie Mead Note taker(s) Julian, Tony
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
X Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
X Grieve, Grahame Health Intersections Pty Ltd
X Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
X Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
X Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
. Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
X Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Guests
. McKenzie, Lloyd HL7 Canada
. Kreisler, Austin HL7 TSC Chair .
. Legend
X Present
. Absent
R Regrets
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes

  1. Continuation of the excercise started in Q1.
  2. Adjourned at 12:30 Pm U.S. Eastern

Sunday Q3

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Baltimore, MD USA

Date: 20120909
Time: 1:45pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Charlie Mead Note taker(s) Julian, Tony
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
X Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
. Grieve, Grahame Health Intersections Pty Ltd
X Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
X Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
X Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
. Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
X Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Guests
X Kreisler, Austin HL7 TSC Chair
. Legend
X Present
. Absent
R Regrets
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes

  1. Continuation of high-level Business Architecture Model
  2. Adjourned at 3:00pm Eastern

Tony Julian 15:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Tuesday, September 11, 2012

  • Minutes by Ron Parker

Thursday September 13, 2012

Thursday Q3

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Baltimore, MD USA

Date: 20120912
Time: 1:45pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Ron Parker Note taker(s) Julian, Tony
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
. Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
X Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
. Grieve, Grahame Health Intersections Pty Ltd
. Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
. Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
X Lynch, Cecil Accenture
. Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
. Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
X Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Guests
. Kreisler, Austin HL7 TSC Chair
. Legend
X Present
. Absent
R Regrets
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes

  • Tuesday: Reviewed the TSC presentation from Monday Night. Have approval from John Quinn to have a f-f for the core of the BAM team - will do doodle poll. The funding may have been pulled. May have to come up with plan B. Suggestion to use 3-hr time blocks using GotoMeeting. Earlies ron Oct-9 on, SARA is the week of the 15th. We told the Board we could report 4weeks after the event. Should not be much progress on risk assessment.
  • Send poll to team. Timezones: Bo California, Jane Mountain, Andy Austrailia, AMS California, Charlie Eastern, Ron Atlantic, Tony Central.
  • Loyd held q6 meeting with FHIR governance.
  • January:
  • Tutorials - FHIR intro in video.
  • Sunday Q2 Joint with FHIR ARB host: FHIR to join us Q2 on Sunday to discuss architecture - so we will know how to consume FHIR.
  • FHIR will take Monday all day for Core team. They will have to turn some things over to management group - make sure governance board understands. Woody is concerned about beuracracy on the front end.
  • BO: Concerned with the resources, granlarity, consistency, lack of reuse. They are mixing information domain with implementation vehicle. Getting resources and profiles confused. CIMI is developing a DCM.
  • Ron: FHIR may use CIMI to generate FHIR Resources. BAM needs to consider and validate approaches with more than one authoritative committee, especially in the definition state of the product.
  • Jane: [| CIC] gets validation from physcians, then applies IT.
  • Andy: Easier to build your investment around the technology between the Clinical community and the Vendor community.
  • Jane: Clinical validation needs followup technical validation.
  • Andy: Often one is the focus over the other, which ends up with gaps.
  • Ron: I will establish a risk factor, with a method of mitigation.
  • Between now and next WGM we need to define handoff.
ItemcolortodoWho
Meta model (class) Blue:Bam Proposal - AMS Align to RIMArb
Hl7 Bis modelYellowTable-> row data Arb
(Class) YellowWhat = product, Arb
who = proponentArb
Reverse engineer into BAMArb
80% = balloted spec lifecycle
InstanceGreenExampleArb
(object) --- n+2??
--- n+5??

Thursday Q4

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Baltimore, MD USA

Date: 20120912
Time: 1:45pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Ron Parker Note taker(s) Julian, Tony
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
. Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
X Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
. Grieve, Grahame Health Intersections Pty Ltd
. Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
. Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
X Lynch, Cecil Accenture
. Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
. Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
X Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Guests
X Kreisler, Austin HL7 TSC Chair
. Legend
X Present
. Absent
R Regrets
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes

  • Add agenda Item to discuss the product information provided by Ann Wrightson.
  • Chart
  1. Product types and lifecycles
  2. BAM Meta Model
  3. BAM Model Raw Data
  4. BAM Model (Static)
  5. Lifecycle Stages 1 & 2 Dynamic Models
  6. BAM instance example (Scope?)
  • Austin: TSC will do a project to define the attributes of a product line.