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2012-02-16 Tooling Call

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Meeting Information

HL7 Tooling Meeting Agenda/Minutes

Location: Phone: +1 770-657-9270;
Participant PassCode:586935# (no GTM)

Date: 2012-02-16
Time: 10:00 am EDT
Facilitator: Andy Stechishin Note taker(s): Lynn Laakso
Attendee Name, Affiliation
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x Woody Beeler, Beeler Consulting
x Wilfred Bonney, HL7 HQ
x Joshua Carmody, HL7 HQ Tooling Administrator
regrets Jane Curry, Co-Chair
x Hugh Glover
x Tim Ireland, Co-chair
x Lynn Laakso, HL7 HQ Tooling Support
Lloyd McKenzie, HL7 Canada/GPi
x Abdul-Malik Shakir, Education liaison
x Andy Stechishin, Co-chair
Quorum Requirements Met (co-chair plus 3 counting staff): yes

Agenda

Agenda Topics



Supporting Documents

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
Due to error counting Thursdays, Lynn didn't put the liaison reports on the agenda and send a reminder. We will request liaison reports for next month.

  • Call to order 10:07 AM EST
  • review agenda. Glover has item for new business. Woody has a question on the projects.
  • Approval of previous minutes from 2012-02-09 Tooling Call; Woody moves and Wilfred seconds approval. Hugh abstains. Approved 5/0/1.
  • Approval of previous minutes from:
  • Review action items -
    • Woody has no update on 1998
    • Andy has not completed 1453.
    • Josh has nothing to report on 2003.
  • Update on V3 Generator Tool - Lloyd not available. ACTION ITEM: Andy will try to follow up on an ETA for the V3 Generator with Lloyd. Woody reports that the current generator includes a few changes Jean and Lloyd worked on which he sent out notice.
  • Review projects- assign new due dates:
    • GForge Alternative Assessment - next Milestone date 2012Jan, at PI# 804 - Josh notes that we don’t have a convenient way to monitor space usage but the new owners have been much better to work with and he's confident we won't have a problem with support. ACTION ITEM: Lynn will move milestone date on PI#804 to May.
    • MAX - next Milestone date 2012Jan, at PI# 742. AMS reports few people have joined the project and its project manager has received other assignments. The project is running into resource issues. People need to identify what model elements they want to extract from the models and where they want them to end up - destination is a spreadsheet or other with model elements name, definition, etc. Need nomenclature for model elements. Use of profiles with stereotypes requires more definition between UML metamodel and profile stereotype. There has been debate on creation of HL7 profiles and expression. Phase I may only address things in UML metamodel plus extensions. Moving forward will be difficult now due to resources. AMS will try to get confirmation whether Stacey will remain available to work on the project. Andy notes that MAX has a conference call scheduled the first Wednesday of each month - these may need to be cancelled. The next call will be March 7th so perhaps at that time they can determine resources going forward.
    • SMD Enhancement - next Milestone date 2010Sept, at PI# 690 - Andy has question for Jane if this is complete and the next phase is a separate project or is this project intended to cover the next phase. Need to determine this before updating the dates. ACTION ITEM: Lynn will follow up with Jane on scope/intent for PI# 690
    • Tooling Dashboard - next Milestone date 2012Jan, at PI# 803 Andy has put up the page for collecting requirements. ACTION ITEM: Andy needs to update Tooling dashboard requirements with new information.
  • Andy Liaison report - Vocabulary on IHTSDO workbench. They are also looking at NLM terminology request application to streamline process and validate entries on the front end. Structured Documents looking at exchange of templates data between tools and interested in moving forward with project in Templates, SDWG and ITS for an ITS for exchange of template definitions.
  • Other/new business:
    • Hugh notes that Pharmacy identified their models have inconsistency with clinical statement models. Mechanism for comparison of RMIMs, validating one being a proper subset of another, is needed. Woody has used an arbitrary enforceable sort order and then compares with a text editor. A validator would be a greater challenge with naming elements differently between models. File comparison tools won't tell you if differences are valid constraints. Woody notes the RMIM designer can tell you if it's a proper constraint on the RIM but can't define if an RMIM is a proper constraint on another RMIM. Hugh suggests one might look at Robert Worden's tool for mapping one to the other. Tim noted that with templating messages they had limited success. Hugh notes that IDMP structures as subset of CPM are having the same problem with using unrolled CPM structures. Woody also suggests Hugh ask Lloyd about them, as he's likely thought about the issue but doesn't know if he's made a pass at it.
    • Question that came in to Linda for Josh and Lynn to follow up with Woody on assistance on a tool.
  • Adjourned 10:44 AM EST


Meeting Outcomes

Actions
  • Andy will try to follow up on an ETA for the V3 Generator with Lloyd.
  • Lynn will move milestone date on PI#804 to May.
  • Lynn will follow up with Jane on scope/intent for PI# 690
  • Andy needs to update Tooling dashboard requirements with new information.
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items
  • Next liaison report March 21.
  • Woody will be at HIMSS next week. Andy may not be available, Tim will chair next week.
  • 2012-02-23 Tooling Call


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