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#Lorraine Constable (Constable Consulting, CA)
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#Adri Buurggraaff (HL7, NL),  
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#Bert Verhees (ZorgGemak/Rosa Software, NL)
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#Roger Erens (ZorgGemak, NL)
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Revision as of 08:44, 7 November 2011

This RIMBAA WG meeting (an out of cycle meeting) has been designated as an out-of-cycle meeting of the international HL7 RIMBAA working group. TSC approval was given on April 4, 2011.

  • Date: November 15 (09:30-17:00)
  • Location: Mercure Hotel Amsterdam Airport, Amsterdam, NL
    • Getting there: There's a free shuttle bus from Schiphol Airport to the hotel every 30 minutes (:15 and :45). The trip takes approximately 15 minutes. The shuttle bus platform can be found in front of the taxi rank (or in other words: follow the direction of travel of the taxis for about 100m).
    • By car: see hotel website for information. By bus (public transport): zuidtangent 195/197.
  • Registration: There is no registration fee - the size of the room is limited to 25 attendees. Please register by either adding your name to the list at the end of this wiki page or e-mal Rene.
  • Travel/accomodation: via Amsterdam Schiphol airport (AMS) / Schiphol Airport train station.
  • Co-chairs: Rene Spronk
  • Short URL:

RIMBAA WGM #33 - November 15 Agenda (09:30-17:00)

  1. Administrative (max 30 minutes)
  2. Finnish experiences: the RIM based architecture of the Intensium solution (Pekka Kola, Tieto Oyj, Finland)
    • The Intensium software application (now owned by Tieto) is the only RIM-based application in Finland. Most of the solutions in Finland are based on architectures from 80s or 90s and obviously RIM was not there. Pekka was lucky enough to have an opportunity to start building totally new architecture in 2004. He had done before several “self-designed” architectures for intensive care and anesthesia solutions, each having more or less problems. He also had been following HL7 development years, especially RIM, so he decided to jump into cold water with it. The application has RIM all the way from database to UI layer and it's working just nicely.
  3. Adapting a v2 Drug Information System to use v3 (Jean Duteau).
    • Jean: The focus will be how we built a system and used v2 to transport information. When we moved to using v3, this forced us to re-architect the application - we couldn't just use v3 as a transport mechanism.
  4. Resources For Healthcare (RFH) - update, and implementation aspects (Ewout Kramer, Furore, the Netherlands)
    • RFH is a new HL7-project and specification (which was extensively discussed at the HL7 WGM in San Diego) that in essence proposes a RESTful protocol in conjunction with XML-based Resources (which in RIMBAA align neatly with our concept of SMIRFs). The XML has a predefined structure, elements are linked to a RIM-based data dictionary. This is basically the same thought as the Micro ITS. It combines some recent best practices in implementing v3 with a number of internet/open standards.
  5. Process to evaluate implementation oriented tools/toolkits (see also Tooling liaison)
    • Purpose: to recommend that certain tools be used, or to recommend to HL7 that it support the development of certain tools.
      • Define a process to evaluate implementation oriented tools/toolkits
      • Criteria to use to determine quality/utility of implementation oriented tools – how do we know which tools to recommend/support/facilitate development
        • Includes determining whether or not there is an appropriate level of support
      • What types of tasks and roles would use tools to aid in standards adoption and implementation
  6. RIM database generation and CDA parsing (Henk Enting, MGRID, the Netherlands)
    • Note: MGRID have presented their solution before - the main feature of which is that it uses a Database with native ISO datatypes (see the "PostgreSQL implementation" section on that wiki page). This presentation will however focus on recent developments.
    • Henk will demonstrate:
      • a database model generator that generates HL7v3 RIM datamodels from the HL7v3 corerim.mif MIF file (allowing one to generate a databasemodel for any version of the RIM). The database models use the HL7 R1 and R2 datatypes that are built into MGRID.
      • a CDA parser, that parses CDA R2 and outputs MGRID SQL insert statements
        • Context conduction rules, preloaded into MGRID, that are applied automatically when the CDA document is inserted
  7. Discuss the possible creation of a 'reference implementation'
    • Discussion of whether or not we want to have/create one
    • Could be based on the Everest/jEverest toolkit with an added persistence layer (ORM out of the box, or MGRID).
  8. Implementation of a Java based OpenEHR-kernel (Bert Verhees, Rosa Software, NL)
    • Bert is the lead developer/architect of a Java based OpenEHR-kernel. Presentation about its API, exposing the OpenEHR-specifications (reference model, conformance models, data types), in a for speed optimized way and easy to use for GUI-developers. The OpenEHR-kernel is written in Java, and exposes its API over SOAP in Tomcat6/Webservices
  9. other agenda items


(add name at end of list, max. 25 attendees):

  1. Rene Spronk (Ringholm, NL)
  2. Hans Jonkers (Philips Research, NL)
  3. Pekka Kola (Tieto, FI)
  4. Michael van der Zel (UMCG, NL)
  5. Jean-Henri Duteau (GP Informatics, CA)
  6. Ewout Kramer (Furore, NL)
  7. Roberta Gazzarata (DIST - Università di Genova, IT)
  8. Henk Enting (MGRID, NL)
  9. Willem Dijkstra (MGRID, NL),
  10. Viola Parodi (Infinity Technology Solutions S.p.A., IT)
  11. Lorraine Constable (Constable Consulting, CA)
  12. Adri Burggraaff (HL7, NL),
  13. Bert Verhees (ZorgGemak/Rosa Software, NL)
  14. Roger Erens (ZorgGemak, NL)
  15. Tom de Jong (Nova-Pro, NL)
  16. Yeb Havinga (MGRID, NL)
  17. Jan-Marc Verlinden (ZorgGemak, NL)
  18. Arthur Kuipers (UMCG(TCC), NL)
  19. Gert-Jan Marsman (UMCG(TCC), NL)


  • Patrick Loyd (I had previously registered. However, I've recently become Chair of Lab WG in Canada; and those meetings have now been scheduled from November 14-16.)