MnM Minutes WGM 201309 Cambridge

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Sunday Sep 22 Q3

Attendees

Woody Beeler (chair), Abdul-Malik Shakir, David Hay, Rik Smithies, Lloyd McKenzie, Andy Stechishin, Grahame Grieve, Katherine Duteau, Jean-Henri Duteau

Agenda

Agenda Finalization

Hot Topic

• ActRelationshipType cleanup - will be discussed on Tue Q2 (GWB/JD)
• New Conformance Flag for Don't Ignore - has been developed in FHIR and will be classified as a Cold Topic
• Procedure or Act unknown not done - document that TermInfo is dealing with this topic
• Publishing a value set for a DEF or Criterion Act - leave it as hot topic but no action pursued until further information (who needs this?, what exactly is needed?)
• Value Sets Used in Datatypes - should be closed
• Role Class Ontological - Jean will check with Julie to see the status of this

Other Business

• Negative votes on Core Principles have been requested to be retracted
• Grahame raised the ballot comment about RIM Mappings that are missing in the current ballot
  • Woody pointed out that FHIR was going to be anchored on the RIM, so if we do not do it, are we failing on our promise?
  • Lloyd believes that it is achievable and desirable
  • Grahame wonders who would do the mapping and when would it be done?
    • Lloyd suggested that we ask the workgroups to make the mappings for their resources. If they are unable, then we will seek volunteers on the FHIR list to make the mappings.
  • This will be discussed on Tuesday Q1

FHIR Sessions

Tue Q1, Wed Q3, Thu Q1 - will all be ballot reconciliation and methodology

• Motion to accept agenda: Lloyd/Katherine - 7/0/0

Tuesday Sep 24 Q1

Attendees

Al Dahhasi, Wael (CCHI)

Beeler Jr, George (Woody) (Beeler Consulting LLC)

Dijkstra, Willem (MGRID)

McKenzie, Lloyd (Gordon Point Informatics (HL7 Canada))

Smithies, Rik (NProgram Ltd)

Zimmerman, Jay (HL7 Canada)

FHIR - Reconciliation & Methodology

Primarily worked off of the FHIR Ballot Reconciliation spreadsheet and recorded actions therein

Tuesday Sep 24 Q2

Attendees

Al Dahhasi, Wael (CCHI)

Beeler Jr, George (Woody) (Beeler Consulting LLC)

Dijkstra, Willem (MGRID)

Duteau, Jean (Duteau Design Inc)

Henderson, Mike (Eastern Informatics, Inc.)

McKenzie, Lloyd (Gordon Point Informatics (HL7 Canada))

Smithies, Rik (NProgram Ltd)

Zimmerman, Jay (HL7 Canada)

Gilbert, Pete (Covision.com)

Agenda

• Hot Topics - ActRelationship Type Proposal
  • Had a review of the Harmonization Proposal that Kevin Coonan brought forward at the previous Harmonization meeting
  • Discussed the PERT concept and the details around changing it
    • Recommendation: Move children of PERT to ART
    • Two choices to discuss at Harmonization: leave PERT as a non-specific relationship with no children OR deprecate PERT and introduce RELEV as a non-specific relationship with no children
    • The proposal will have the discussion on the impact of both choices added and will urge reviewers to consider their intentions for PERT in recommending which choice.
  • Temporal Relationships
    • Some of the proposed codes had improper parents
    • Options are: 1) Take all of the proposed new codes with the parentage fixed, 2) Only accept the proposed codes that are not representable with inverses, 3) Add in all of the missing codes that are not represented, 4) Add in all of the missing codes that include inverses (basically implement Lloyd's spreadsheet).
    • Recommendation: do #4 - (implement the codes in Lloyd's spreadsheet)
  • Fixing up COMP
    • The current use of COMP is using a broader definition than what it actually is.
    • Recommendation: the proposal is to loosen the definition and create a new code STEP that will get the current definition of COMP. Add a new concept "Has Member (MBR)" that represents aggregation and have STEP be a child of MBR. Additionally, add "Has Part" (PART) that represents composition.
  • Interfered By
    • This was acceptable
  • Has Qualifier
    • It is more appropriate under SUBJ.
  • Intensional Value Sets will automatically change since they are not immutable.

MOTION: That we adopt the proposed changes as documented (Woody/Lloyd) - 7/0/0

Wednesday Sep 25 Q1

Agenda

• Host Joint with Vocabulary & FHIR

Wednesday Sep 25 Q2

Agenda

• Host Joint with FHIR & Vocabulary

Wednesday Sep 25 Q3

Agenda

• FHIR - Mapping & Reconciliation

Thursday Sep 26 Q1

Agenda

• FHIR - Methodology

Thursday Sep 26 Q2

Agenda

FHIR - Reconciliation

Friday May 18 Q2

Agenda

• MnM/FHIR Follow-up