MnM Minutes WGM 201201 San Antonio

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Sunday Jan. 15 Q3

(Llano - Ch: L McKenzie; Sc: G Beeler)

Attendees

George (Woody) Beeler Jr (Beeler Consulting LLC ), Jean Duteau (Gordon Point Informatics Ltd. ), Attila Farkas (HL7 Canada ), Sarah Gaunt (NEHTA ), Peter Gilbert (Covisint ), Hugh Glover (HL7 UK Voter #6 ), Austin Kreisler (SAIC - Science Applications International Corp ), Jay Lyle (Ockham Information Services LLC ), Lloyd McKenzie (HL7 Canada (Gordon Point Informatics) ), Rajan Rai (HL7 Canada ), Rik Smithies (NProgram Ltd ), Rene Spronk (HL7 Netherlands ), Andy Stechishin (Gordon Point Informatics Ltd. ), D. Mead Walker (Mead Walker Consulting ), Philip Wilford (nehta ), Grahame Grieve, J. D. Baleer

Agenda

Establish Agenda for WGM from Hot Topics and Other Items

Steps:

• Reviewed the existing Hot Topics
• Marked changes on HXIT for Associations and NullFlavor
• Agreed to have L. McKenzie "clean up" the Hot topics list and bring his final changes to the Facilitator's Roundtable on Thursday evening for adoption.
• Added a number of Hot topics to the agendas for this WGM (also outlined below)

Adjourned 3PM

Monday Jan. 15 Q1

(Regency East 2 - Ch: L McKenzie; Sc: G Beeler)

Attendees

George (Woody) Beeler Jr (Beeler Consulting LLC ), Lloyd McKenzie (HL7 Canada (Gordon Point Informatics) ), AbdulMalik Shakir (City of Hope National Medical Center )

Agenda

SAIF Artifact Definition - REVITALIZE the process

Discussion

Started with question of whether to choose to advance only a sub-set of the artifacts in the face of low adoption of "universal" messaging artifacts plus the needs of FHIR.

Suggest that the Information Model artifact definitions are usable in both contexts, although, in future, the requirement for creating RMIMs may be limited.

Simultaneously, there are clearly new artifacts and governance required to support FHIR.

What is role of behavioral/transactional models in FHIR??? Not immediately.

FAILED to MEET QUORUM

Monday Jan. 16 Q2

(Regency East 2 - Ch: G Beeler; Sc: L McKenzie)

Attendees

Woody Beeler, Lloyd McKenzie, Adel Glhamahalla, Rick Smithies, Raj Rajan

Agenda

Ballot planning

• RIM R5
• Core Principles R2 - when & what
• Data Types R2+

Ballot Planning

RIM R5

• R4 passed balloting in only 1 cycle
• Number of changes this year will be small - primarily structural vocabulary
• In this next release, a bunch of deprecated elements will be dropped
  • Will need to manage how this will affect publication for NE2013

Motion: Woody authorized to submit paperwork to initiate RIM R5 ballot Lloyd/Rik: 4/0/0

Core Principles R2 (when & what)

• R1 is finished with one negative outstanding

• Carry-overs from last time:
  • Behavioral models (still don't have this)
  • Negation indicators: List them all and how they should be used
  • isDocumentCharacteristic: what does it mean/how does it work

• Can we do a full release or an Annex?

Motion: MnM authorizes Woody to prepare PSS and submissions to enable balloting of Core Principles R2, limited to the addition of documentation on negation indicators and isDocumentationCharacteristic.

Lloyd/Rik: 4/0/0

Data Types R2+

• Looked at list of Data Type R3 issues
• Consider doing a 2.1
• We can bring any vocab changes other than null flavor forward into datatypes
• We want people to identify what additional changes they want and how "urgent" a given change is.
  • Woody will update the page to be numbered and define a list of priorities from "blocking implementation" to "nice to have". When that's done, Lloyd will craft a small blurb for the HL7 Newsletter and send an e-mail to co-chairs list, MnM list, RIMBAA list, INM list and CGIT list

Monday Jan. 16 Q3

(Regency East 2 - Ch: L McKenzie; Sc: G Beeler)

Agenda

Two Hot Topics

Role Class "Ontological"

Issue, coming from Vocabulary, problem found when attempting to satisfy Role relationships (found in context of common product model). Julie Glover brought forward a detailed analysis of the RoleClass hierarchy with the concern focusing on _RoleClassOntological.

The existing structure had a number of definition issues - SAME and SUBY appeared to be saying the same thing, yet were siblings, and generic is also tied into the definition of SAME.

After much discussion asked to see a harmonization proposal for March that restructures the hierarchy as:

ROL

_RoleClassAssociative

_RoleClassOntological

EQUIV (functionally equivalent entity)

SAME (with changes to make the fact that representations differ, but there is only one real-world thing that they represent)

SUBY (subsumed by) Modify the definition to make it clear that the original definition was to replace a record, and perhaps alter the print name to be "????"

GRIC

GEN

INST

Tuesday Jan. 17 Q1

(Llano - Ch: G Grieve; Sc: G Beeler)

Tuesday Jan. 17 Q2

(Llano - Ch: L McKenzie; Sc: J Duteau)

Tuesday Jan. 17 Q4

(Llano - Ch: L McKenzie; Sc: G Grieve)

Wednesday Jan. 18 Q1

(Llano - Ch: G Beeler; Sc: L McKenzie)

Thursday Jan. 19 Evening

(Llano - Ch: G Beeler; Sc: L McKenzie)

Agenda

===Facilitators Round Table