MnM Minutes WGM 201010 Cambridge

Sunday, October 3, 2010 - Q3

Agenda

• Agenda Topics Review
• Hot Topics Triage

Minutes

PRESENT: Woody Beeler, Lorraine Constable, John Koisch, Bruce McKinnon, Austin Kreisler, Mead Walker, Gregg Seppala, Andy Stechishin, Jean Duteau, Kathleen Connor, Brian Pech, Anil Luthra, Kevin Coonan, Rene Spronk, Sarah Gaunt, Grahame Grieve, David O'Driscoll, David Rowed, Michael Steine, Anita Walden

Agenda Discussion

• Hot Topics to discuss
  • MnM Involvement with SAIF, including BF
  • TemplateId on the Query Response
  • Behavioural Framework (Join OO)
  • Versioning
  • Attribute Context Conduction
  • Role Link
  • CMET status + DCM concerns

No Tue Q2 and no Wed Q2.

Action Items

• ACTION: Grahame will update the WGM schedule and email it to the list.

Monday, October 4, 2010 - Q3

Agenda

• MIF2 Reconcilliation

Attendees

NO QUORUM

Monday, October 4, 2010 - Q4

Agenda

• Core Principles Reconcilliation

Attendees

NO QUORUM

Tuesday, October 5, 2010 - Q1

Attendees

• Grahame Grieve, Woody Beeler, Jean Duteau

Agenda

• Core Principles Reconciliation

Minutes

Core Principles Reconciliation

• Worked through the Negatives assigned to Grahame and some of the Negatives assigned to Woody.
• Brought Lloyd in to discuss two comments that needed in-person discussion.

Meeting adjourned

Tuesday, October 5, 2010 - Q3

Agenda

• Hot Topics - "MnM Involvement with SAIF, including BF"

Attendees

• Woody Beeler, Xia Jing, John Koisch, Lorraine Constable, Adri Burggraaff, Li Zhou, Alexander Henket, Patrick Loyd

Tuesday, October 5, 2010 - Q4

Agenda

• Hot Topics - "Query Mechanism which specifies templates for the response"
• Update on MIF-to-UML work at OMG

Attendees

• Woody Beeler, Alexander Henket, Patrick Loyd, Jean Duteau, Brian Pech, Rik Smithies, Robert Worden, Rene Spronk, Lorraine Constable

Minutes

Discussion of Query Mechanism to specify a template for the response

We discussed the use cases for this requirement. We discussed the rejected alternatives. -interaction per query -make the new template ID a parameter

• This is revising a harmonization proposal "Add QuerySpec.responseTemplateid attribute" (also on the Wiki)
  • There was a comment that we do not have a real implementation of "Query By Example" so the argument against ParameterItem due to QBE requirements was not deemed sufficient.
  • The RIM definition of ParameterItem does not preclude sending the templateID as a parameter item.
  • This seems akin to the QueryLimit information.
  • It was deemed that this proposal was the easiest
  • Currently the proposal is suggesting all templates must be satisfied. There appears to be a use case for "one of" the templates to be satisfied.
  • What should the datatype be? In R1, SET<II>, in R2, QSET<II>. ACTION: Determine what the datatype should be.
  • It appears that we could "undeprecate" the ResponseElementGroupId parameter that had been deprecated.

ACTION: InM will advance the harmonization proposal for the next harmonization meeting.

Update on MIF-to-UML work at OMG

Jean presented a summary of his lunchtime conversation with Robert Lario. Robert will be producing a document that summarizes the analysis. He has requested some volunteer hours to help produce the report. The next step after the report appears to be to build a super-profile.

Wednesday, October 6, 2010 - Q1

Agenda

• Hosting Joint with Vocabulary - MIF Reconciliation

Minutes

• Structural code proposal = Strengtrhen summary of proscribed harmonization for summer cycle

• Universal binding for non-CS atta content requires Affiliate Council approval. Agreed that the Harmonization review 1st. Post as R1 while pending Affilia Council approval; send to AC for adoption; and put these rules on Wiki pages in re; Harmonization checklist is where rules are and needs to be shared better. Bev/Ted 7-0-1

MIF ProperName - Asked for Pattern for Concept Domain names. Agreed was UpperCamelCase (allows _ and -) and lenbght 60. Bev/ted 6-0-1

MOTION: Given very short cycle, moved to not ballot Core Principles in Jan, but rather forward the last and best in May 2011. The Vocabulary content has significant changes. Will declare content that was not changed "out of scope" for next ballot. Amend: We will seek to integrate the glossary into the next publication by "inclusion" of the name and content rather than only by reference. Ted/Bev 6-0-1

MnM will host again in Sydney

Thursday, October 7, 2010 - Q1

Agenda

• Hot Topics - "Versioning"

Minutes

Action from Versioning Wiki page "Interaction and Versioning"

MOTION: Believe that the Conclusions "Required Actions" are the correct ones and should be adopted and implemented as soon as possible. To that end Move that M&M Take formal action to adopt this at their next Conference Call (Oct 22) and approve a Project Proposal for the Required Actions. THis will be a joint proposal (MnM InM IC V3Pub) and forwarded to both the FnT SD (MnM InM IC) and SSSD (Publishing) for review and forwarding to TSC. 3-0-0

Thursday, October 7, 2010 - Q2

Agenda

• Hot Topics - "Attribute Conduction"

Attendees

Rik Smithies, Austin Kreisler, Rene Spronk, Jean Duteau, Marc Koehn, Debbie Bogert

Minutes

Discussion of Context Conduction for Attributes

We considered Austin's original proposal. Given Victor's input on the Hot topic, we decided on the following:

• we would create a new "Block All Attribute Conduction" attribute of type BN on ActRelationship
• The "conductible" property part of Austin's proposal would remain the same
• We also need to document in Core Principles that attributes with conductible set to true will effectively conduct as old-style OP, i.e. propagating, override.

Alternatives:

• "Block All Conduction" vs "Block All Attribute Conduction"
  • we already have the ability to block the other things that conduct, so we decided to make this just attributes for consistency
• Attributes do not conduct at all

ACTION: Austin will take this information and craft a new version of the proposal.

Thursday, October 7, 2010 - Facilitator's Roundtable

Agenda

• Publishing Calendar
• Workgroup Updates
• MnM Week Update

Attendees

Woody Beeler (MnM), Jean Duteau (MnM, Pharmacy), Hugh Glover (Medication), Julie James (Pharmacy Vocab), Bob Dolin (StructDoc), Patrick Loyd (O&O, InM, ClinicalStatement), Andy Stechishin (Publishing, Tooling, ITS), John Koisch (ArB), Grahame Grieve (MnM), Austin Kreisler (O&O, StructDoc, PHER), Gregg Seppala (PatientAdmin), Gunther Schadow (CPM, RCRIM), Kevin Coonan (Patient Care), Rene Spronk (RIMBAA), Bev White (Vocab)

Minutes

Publishing Calendar

• HARMONIZATION DATES
  • November 9-12, 2010 - Harmonization Meeting
• Proposed for 2011
  • March 15-18, 2011
  • July 5-8, 2011
  • November 15-18, 2011

MOTION: Jean/Patrick 13/0/0

• There was a question about Datatypes R2. With the limited number of topics that are going to ballot, Woody has put forward that the January ballot will be Datatypes R2.

Workgroup Updates

VOCABULARY

• Problems with Ed Summit due to resource conflicts
• MOTION: Move Harmonization to the 11-12,18-19 with the same current deadline dates. Bev/Patrick, 13/0/0

PATIENT CARE

• There was a meeting with PHER and CIC about clinical models.
• There was also a meeting with SD to discuss templates as they would be used in DCM.

PATIENT ADMINISTRATION

• Canada is bringing interdependent registries forward.
• This appears to bring some common design patterns to the forefront.

PHER

• No proposals or new ballot information.

STRUCT DOC

• Some harm proposals will be coming forward.
• Good progress is being made for moving the CDA Header forward.
• There was a project "Templates for Publishing CDA IGuides" that did not make it.
• We need to bring forward the Templates DSTU.

ITS

• hData will be going to DSTU ballot this cycle.
• The Neutral Mapping project is going forward. It does not meet Lloyd's desire as being the glue between SAIF layers, but there is value in the project.
• MDMI presentation was tremendously disappointing.

ArB

• There was a problem brought to the attention of the ArB about the balloting of hData.
• ArB has asked the ITS group to explain why they are balloting hData.
• Grahame noted that HL7 allows things to get to ballot and at the ballot is where things are governed.
• The Project Scope Statement can be reviewed to determine if the scope of the project is different from what is being balloted.

O&O

• Dietetics was brought forward as well as some models from Clinical Genomics
• The rest of the meeting was about the Behavioural Model
• There will be a bunch of Project Scope Statements coming from the Behavioural requirements. This will result in a work for a number of workgroups to incorporate from the new Behavioural Model.

Friday, October 8, 2010 - Q1

Agenda

• Hot Topics - "Role Link"
• Planning and Schedule for Sydney
• CMET Status
• DCM Concerns