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==Dispositions adopted in today's conference call== | ==Dispositions adopted in today's conference call== | ||
In sequence, the following actions were voted today. | In sequence, the following actions were voted today. | ||
| − | ===Item 8 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 8 [at 1/1.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | ||
Will seek your help in expressing this SAIFly | Will seek your help in expressing this SAIFly | ||
| − | ===Item 9 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 9 [at 1/1.2] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | ||
Intent is RIM/Vocab/DT. Will attempt to clarify | Intent is RIM/Vocab/DT. Will attempt to clarify | ||
| − | ===Item 10 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 10 [at 1/1.1.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | ||
| − | ===Item 11 (B Neg-Mj) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 11 [at 2/2.0] (B Neg-Mj) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | ||
| − | ===Item 12 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 12 [at 2/2.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | ||
Will attempt to fix these and align them with the relevant content for the RIM which has also been corrected. | Will attempt to fix these and align them with the relevant content for the RIM which has also been corrected. | ||
| − | . Also, I do not believe "Requirements for RIM should be Normative for Core Principles | + | . Also, I do not believe "Requirements for RIM should be Normative for Core Principles" |
| − | ===Item 13 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 13 [at 2/2.2] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive with mod"===== | ||
Current "rules" say that only WGs with an item under current ballot, or a project for future ballot have a vote in Harmonization. I agree that all should review, but NOT all count for voting. Will seek to record this. | Current "rules" say that only WGs with an item under current ballot, or a project for future ballot have a vote in Harmonization. I agree that all should review, but NOT all count for voting. Will seek to record this. | ||
| − | ===Item 17 (B M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 17 [at 2/2.3.2] (B M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | ||
Use your wording | Use your wording | ||
| − | ===Item 19 (B M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 19 [at 2/2.3.2] (B M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | ||
Drop bullet | Drop bullet | ||
| − | ===Item 20 (B M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 20 [at 2/2.3.3] (B M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | ||
| − | Combine to bullets to read "The names of all attributes and associations within a class must be unique within the single attribute-association namespace defined by that class. | + | Combine to bullets to read "The names of all attributes and associations within a class must be unique within the single attribute-association namespace defined by that class." |
| − | ===Item 21 (B M Neg-Mj) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 21 [at 2/2.4.1] (B M Neg-Mj) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive with mod"===== | ||
Term was based on HDF and perceived expectation that this will be the SAIF name, too. | Term was based on HDF and perceived expectation that this will be the SAIF name, too. | ||
| − | We are ping-ponging this one. I believe | + | We are ping-ponging this one. I believe hI had negative vote the other way a couple of cycles back. |
Accept the "SAIF" term only. | Accept the "SAIF" term only. | ||
| − | ===Item 114 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 114 [at 6/6.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | ||
| − | use word "ancestor | + | use word "ancestor" |
| − | ===Item 116 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 116 [at 6/6.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | ||
| − | Change to: "After reviewing | + | Change to: "After reviewing proposals to correct or replace the prior mechanism, that mechanism was deprecated in March 2010, and the mechanism described here was adopted for use with all future models." |
| − | ===Item 117 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 117 [at 6/6.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | ||
| − | How about: "In this example, when using the current (new) context control structure, one can accomplish the equivalent of a participation "override" (from the prior context control structure) by blocking conduction of the "PRF" participation code in the ActRelationship leading to the descendant, and assigning a new performer Participation to the descendant. | + | How about: "In this example, when using the current (new) context control structure, one can accomplish the equivalent of a participation "override" (from the prior context control structure) by blocking conduction of the "PRF" participation code in the ActRelationship leading to the descendant, and assigning a new performer Participation to the descendant." |
| − | ===Item 124 (M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 124 [at 6/6.2.2] (M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"===== | ||
Use your proposed text. | Use your proposed text. | ||
| − | ===Item 144 (M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 144 [at 3/4.0] (M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | ||
| − | Actual correction should read: "The type is a tuple: the name of the model, and the name of the type/constraint definition in the mode. | + | Actual correction should read: "The type is a tuple: the name of the model, and the name of the type/constraint definition in the mode." |
| − | ===Item 145 (M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 145 [at 3/4.1] (M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | ||
| − | Propose: (a) change title to "Kinds of Type Models for Classes", and (b) change sentence to "As a consequence, there are three kinds of type models applicable to classes - | + | Propose: (a) change title to "Kinds of Type Models for Classes", and (b) change sentence to "As a consequence, there are three kinds of type models applicable to classes - expressed models, implied models, and applied models - as:" |
| − | ===Item 180 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 180 [at 6/1.0] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive"===== | ||
| − | No. | + | No. This is defining the context that MIGHT be conducted. This whole section is about vocabulary-based as stated in the sentence that precedes the list. |
| − | ===Item 198 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 198 [at 1/1.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | ||
See Item 8. BUT what is the embedded word doc? It seems to apply to something else. | See Item 8. BUT what is the embedded word doc? It seems to apply to something else. | ||
| − | ===Item 199 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 199 [at 1/1.2] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"===== | ||
Duplicate to Item 9 | Duplicate to Item 9 | ||
| − | ===Item 202 (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== | + | ===Item 202 [at 2/2.2] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0=== |
=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive with mod"===== | =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive with mod"===== | ||
Duplicates item 13 above. | Duplicates item 13 above. | ||
Revision as of 00:04, 10 February 2011
M&M Conference Call 4:00PM Eastern Time (Date above)
Agenda
- Approve Agenda and Minutes Prior Meeting on Feb 2
- Approve WGM MInutes from Sydney
- Core Principles Ballot Reconciliation
Attendees
Stechishin, Pech, Beeler, Seppala, Savage
Approve Agenda and Minutes Prior Meeting on Feb 2
- Agenda approved - Andy/Rob unanimous
- February 2 minutes approved - Gregg/Brian Unanimous
Approve WGM MInutes from Sydney
- Sydney WGM minutes approved - Andy/Rob - 3-0-1
Core Principles Ballot Reconciliation
Sources
Proposed actions were found in Spread sheet on Ballot Desktop
Process
Proposed "dispositions" and and "disposition comments" were provided in the source spread sheet. In a few cases, the "disposition comment" was amended before the motion and vote.
For a handful of items that duplicated other line items, the duplication was noted, and the "disposition" and "vote" were copied from the item that had previously been voted upon.
Voting on "Persuasive" and "Persuasive with Mod" actions
Items: 8,9,10,11 -- Andy Stechishin/Rob Savage 4-0-0
Items: 12, 17,19, 20, 114 -- Andy Stechishin/Rob Savage 4-0-0
Items: 116, 117,124 Andy Stechishin/Brian Pech 4-0-0
Items: 144, 145, 198 Rob Savage/Andy Stechishin 4-0-0
Voting on "Not Persuasive" and "Not Persuasive with Mod" actions
Item: 13 Brian Pech/Rob Savage 4-0-0
Item: 21 Rob Savage/Andy Stechishin 4-0-0
Item: 180 Andy Stechishin/Rob Savage 4-0-0
Next Reconciliation Call
On the next call, we will consider remaining Negatives, many of which need input from McKenzie and Grieve
Adjournment
After 42 minutes.
Dispositions adopted in today's conference call
In sequence, the following actions were voted today.
Item 8 [at 1/1.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"
Will seek your help in expressing this SAIFly
Item 9 [at 1/1.2] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"
Intent is RIM/Vocab/DT. Will attempt to clarify
Item 10 [at 1/1.1.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"
Item 11 [at 2/2.0] (B Neg-Mj) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"
Item 12 [at 2/2.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"
Will attempt to fix these and align them with the relevant content for the RIM which has also been corrected.
. Also, I do not believe "Requirements for RIM should be Normative for Core Principles"
Item 13 [at 2/2.2] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive with mod"
Current "rules" say that only WGs with an item under current ballot, or a project for future ballot have a vote in Harmonization. I agree that all should review, but NOT all count for voting. Will seek to record this.
Item 17 [at 2/2.3.2] (B M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"
Use your wording
Item 19 [at 2/2.3.2] (B M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"
Drop bullet
Item 20 [at 2/2.3.3] (B M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"
Combine to bullets to read "The names of all attributes and associations within a class must be unique within the single attribute-association namespace defined by that class."
Item 21 [at 2/2.4.1] (B M Neg-Mj) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive with mod"
Term was based on HDF and perceived expectation that this will be the SAIF name, too.
We are ping-ponging this one. I believe hI had negative vote the other way a couple of cycles back.
Accept the "SAIF" term only.
Item 114 [at 6/6.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"
use word "ancestor"
Item 116 [at 6/6.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"
Change to: "After reviewing proposals to correct or replace the prior mechanism, that mechanism was deprecated in March 2010, and the mechanism described here was adopted for use with all future models."
Item 117 [at 6/6.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"
How about: "In this example, when using the current (new) context control structure, one can accomplish the equivalent of a participation "override" (from the prior context control structure) by blocking conduction of the "PRF" participation code in the ActRelationship leading to the descendant, and assigning a new performer Participation to the descendant."
Item 124 [at 6/6.2.2] (M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"
Use your proposed text.
Item 144 [at 3/4.0] (M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"
Actual correction should read: "The type is a tuple: the name of the model, and the name of the type/constraint definition in the mode."
Item 145 [at 3/4.1] (M Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"
Propose: (a) change title to "Kinds of Type Models for Classes", and (b) change sentence to "As a consequence, there are three kinds of type models applicable to classes - expressed models, implied models, and applied models - as:"
Item 180 [at 6/1.0] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive"
No. This is defining the context that MIGHT be conducted. This whole section is about vocabulary-based as stated in the sentence that precedes the list.
Item 198 [at 1/1.1] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"
See Item 8. BUT what is the embedded word doc? It seems to apply to something else.
Item 199 [at 1/1.2] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"
Duplicate to Item 9
Item 202 [at 2/2.2] (B Neg-Mi) 4/0/0
Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not persuasive with mod"
Duplicates item 13 above.
