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===Devices on FHIR Meeting 2018-02-14===
 
===Devices on FHIR Meeting 2018-02-14===
  
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Presiding Co-chair: John Rhoads
 
Presiding Co-chair: John Rhoads
  
Attendance:
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Last meeting: [[DoF_2018-02-07]]
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Attendance: Stefan Karl (Philips), Koichiro Matsumoto (Nihon Kohden), Brian Reinhold (Lamprey Networks/PCHA), Martin Rosner (Philips), Ken Fuchs (Draeger), John Dyer (Draeger), Ali Nakoulima (Cerner), Ana Kostadinovska (Philips), Bjorn Andersen (University of Luebeck), Uwe Meyer (MT2IT), John Garguilo (NIST)
  
 
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Remainder of meeting: Ballot comment resolution (Martin Rosner)
 
Remainder of meeting: Ballot comment resolution (Martin Rosner)
  
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15379 15379] **website comment** - 2018-Jan PHD #1  <br/>
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For reference: [[2018JAN PHD Implementation Guide - Directory of Tracker Item Links]]
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15380 15380] The approach for handling multiple specializations and the use of a ChildDeviceComponent does not work in the PHD infrastructure. In order for the uploader to perform this task, the PHD would need to provide a handle to the VMD so the uploader would know  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15381 15381] Associated with the statement above, the ChildDeviceComponent is not needed. It is currently not done in this IG. - 2018-Jan PHD #3 <br/>
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WG members decided since Brian Reinhold was present, to start with discussing his following ballot comments.
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15382 15382] As stated in the IG itself the version of FHIR used by the IG is not compatible with the version of the tool used to create this IG. This descrepancy will need to be fixed when the tool supports R4. This issue applies to the Structure definitions and the  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15383 15383] Pointing to the PHG in the Observation resource instead of the DeviceComponent will allow the presence of a single DeviceComponent to represent the PHD regardless of the uploading application as it will contain information ONLY about the PHD. As it is now  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15380 FHIR Change Requests #15380] Summary: The approach for handling multiple specializations and the use of a ChildDeviceComponent does not work in the PHD infrastructure. Voted: Mover/Seconder: For-Against-Abstain: Brian Reinhold/Martin Rosner: 8-0-3 Resolved, change required: adopt resolution "change the type from 0..1 to 0..* in the Device resource. This resolution is to request this change in the Device resource or consider a solution using an extension."
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15384 15384] The ASN.1 code system has no definitions. The section describes how to create the code from the PHD but this information is of no value to the consumer. The consumer needs to know where these codes are defined. There are a limited set which are defined in  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15386 15386] Typo - 2018-Jan PHD #7  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15381FHIR Change Requests #15381] Summary: Associated with the statement above, the ChildDeviceComponent is not needed. It is currently not done in this IG. - 2018-Jan PHD #3. After discussion, submitter Brian Reinhold withdrew the comment, considering it moot after resolution of [#15380]
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15387 15387] PHDs such as glucometers also provide remote monitoring of measurements not included in the "vital signs panel" definition given by LOINC 85353-1 used elsewhere, and directly contradicts other FHIR useage. Should remove "vital signs" reference as confusin  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15388 15388] Typo - 2018-Jan PHD #9  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15382 FHIR Change Requests #15382] Summary: As stated in the IG itself the version of FHIR used by the IG is not compatible with the version of the tool used to create this IG. This descrepancy will need to be fixed when the tool supports R4. Resolution: Not related (voted Martin Rosner/Brian Reinhold/8-0-2) Comment: concerns the tooling, not the Implementation Guide. Toolsmiths are aware of the difficulty.
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15389 15389] Question about Metric object. - 2018-Jan PHD #10  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15390 15390] Mder Measurement Status as used in the 11073 stds represents a blending of concepts - as mapped, some that can be mapped to DataAbsentReason, Status, as well as some that are relagated to a MeasurementStatus extension on Observation. Thosee shown as a "co  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15383 FHIR Change Requests #15383] Summary: Pointing to the PHG in the Observation resource instead of the DeviceComponent will allow the presence of a single DeviceComponent to represent the PHD regardless of the uploading application as it will contain information ONLY about the PHD. Persuasive with mod Resolution voted Brian Reinhold/Martin Rosner/8-0-2 was "Harmonization of the Device resource does not require 'related' link to the gateway. As such the solution to link to the gateway will need an extention in the resource Observation to enable referencing to the gateway in addition to referencing to the devices."
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15391 15391] The mapping of MDER bits to component.code and .valueCodeableConcept is overly complex, and violates core terminology representation best practicves /principles. The pattern suggested is essentially a Yes /No question ask and answer. Examples show .code="se  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15392 15392] Phd Parent DeviceComponent profile is described as a profile that *has* a parent DeviceComponent  (the PHG). This is confusing. This profile should be the "PHD DeviceComponent profile", and the PHG profile should be called "PHG Parent DeviceComponent profi  <br/>
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Considering the amount of time considering these items, the consensus of the group was to schedule additional time for an appropriate subgroup do preliminary analysis of the items with no votes, and summarize and recommend a resolution for briefer discussion with a quorum present for votes.
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15393 15393] All observation and other profiles show the 110073 MDC code ordered to be the first coding in Observation.coding, This sets an bad precedent on future implementatins that are similar to, but not 11073 or Continua based, for positional dependencies. Modern  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15394 15394] Typo - 2018-Jan PHD #15  <br/>
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Meeting adjourned at 11:55 AM ET.
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15395 15395] Typo - 2018-Jan PHD #16  <br/>
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*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15396 15396] suggested clarification - 2018-Jan PHD #17  <br/>
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Next meeting: [[DoF_2018-02-21]]
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15397 15397] Reference needed - 2018-Jan PHD #18  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15398 15398] Bad link - 2018-Jan PHD #19  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15399 15399] Bad link - 2018-Jan PHD #20  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15400 15400] Bad link - 2018-Jan PHD #21  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15401 15401] Reference needed - 2018-Jan PHD #22  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15402 15402] clarify language - 2018-Jan PHD #23  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15403 15403] Question. - 2018-Jan PHD #24  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15404 15404] improper nesting - 2018-Jan PHD #25  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15405 15405] no content - 2018-Jan PHD #26  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15406 15406] IG lacks references to the technical artifacts, i.e. StructureDefinitions - 2018-Jan PHD #27  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15407 15407] IG lacks example instances - 2018-Jan PHD #28  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15408 15408] IG lacks CapabilityStatements - 2018-Jan PHD #29  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15409 15409] I could not find any justification for oredering the slices. Relax this constraint here and on other elements where there is ordered slicing  such as here http: / /hl7.org /fhir /uv /phd /2018Jan /PhdRtsaObservationProfile.html for identifiers) to put less of a  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15410 15410] it is not obvious to reader that these elements are extensions. Call them out as such and provide the supporting structureDefinition links. - 2018-Jan PHD #31  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15411 15411] UCUM is preferred in FHIR and I recommend using itof MDC instead. At least provide a conceptMap from MDC to UCUM. - 2018-Jan PHD #32  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15412 15412] "home" entry should be capitalized to be consistent with the other items. - 2018-Jan PHD #33  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15413 15413] Consider rewording for clarity - 2018-Jan PHD #34  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15414 15414] "capabilitties" should be "capabilities" - 2018-Jan PHD #35  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15415 15415] "chronically-ill" should be "chronically ill" - 2018-Jan PHD #36  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15416 15416] Suggest displaying the differences between 3.0.1 and 3.2.0 in a table, instead of a set of bullets - 2018-Jan PHD #37  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15417 15417] The structure definition  (table) of elemnts for each profile should always show the description of the elements. Using mouse-hover to show the description of the elements /attributes is not ideal, and does not display when printing. I also suggest automati  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15418 15418] Most instances of Quantity use .unit. In this case, you use .code. If possible, suggest populating .unit in addition to .code so that it can be interpreted by implementers more easily. This may require a mapping between commonly used units  (perhaps from U  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15419 15419] Version History case correction for "Implementation Guide" - 2018-Jan PHD #40  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15420 15420] Version History correction for device "thermometer" - 2018-Jan PHD #41  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15421 15421] Version History correction to change to "HL7 Health Care Devices  (HCD) Work Group" - 2018-Jan PHD #42  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15422 15422] Version History correction to make column headers align with column data for "Date, Version, Description and Current Versions" columns. - 2018-Jan PHD #43  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15423 15423] "Purpose" page correction to camel case for consistency - 2018-Jan PHD #44  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15424 15424] "Purpose" page spelling and grammer corrections - 2018-Jan PHD #45  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15425 15425] "Audience" page spelling and grammer corrections - 2018-Jan PHD #46  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15426 15426] "Scope" page spelling and grammer corrections - 2018-Jan PHD #47  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15427 15427] "Use Cases" page wording corrections - 2018-Jan PHD #48  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15428 15428] "Use Cases" page request on more details for Example 3 - Medical Research - 2018-Jan PHD #49  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15429 15429] "Technical Implementation Guidance" page consistency in specifying the standard before the version. - 2018-Jan PHD #50  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15430 15430] "Technical Implementation Guidance-Generic and Extensible Model" page spelling and grammar corrections - 2018-Jan PHD #51  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15431 15431] "Technical Implementation Guidance -DIM to FHIR Mapping: Basic" spelling and grammar corrections - 2018-Jan PHD #52  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15432 15432] "Technical Implementation Guidance -DIM to FHIR Mapping: Basic" paragraphing correction. - 2018-Jan PHD #53  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15433 15433] "Technical Implementation Guidance General Note to Consumers" wording correction. - 2018-Jan PHD #54  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15434 15434] "Technical Implementation Guidance -DIM to FHIR Mapping: Details" spelling corrections. - 2018-Jan PHD #55  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15435 15435] "Technical Implementation Guidance -Coincident Time Stamp" spelling corrections. - 2018-Jan PHD #56  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15436 15436] "Technical Implementation Guidance -Non 11073 20601 Devices" spelling corrections - 2018-Jan PHD #57  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15437 15437] "Value Sets" page links not working - 2018-Jan PHD #58  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15438 15438] Correct spelling errors on main Profile page - 2018-Jan PHD #59  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15439 15439] Remove strike-through text in DeviceComponent Profiles and Rationalle for Child DeviceComponent areas of the Profiles main page. - 2018-Jan PHD #60  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15440 15440] Correct spelling errors on PhdBaseObservationProfile page - 2018-Jan PHD #61  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15441 15441] Correct the link to http: / /hl7.org /fhir /IEEE.ASN1 on PhdBaseObservationProfile page - 2018-Jan PHD #62  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15442 15442] Hover-over tool tip does not appear for some of the elements in the structure definition e.g. Patient -%3E reference on PhdBaseObservationProfile page - 2018-Jan PHD #63  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15443 15443] Correct spelling errors on PhdNumericObservationProfile page - 2018-Jan PHD #64  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15444 15444] A hover-over tool tip does not appear for some of the elements in the structure definition e.g. Data Absent Reason -%3E coding-%3ESystem-%3Ecode. on PhdCompoundNumericProfile page - 2018-Jan PHD #65  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15445 15445] Correct the title on the PhdCompound NumericObservationProfile page - 2018-Jan PHD #66  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15446 15446] Correct spelling errors on PhdCompoundNumericObservationProfile page - 2018-Jan PHD #67  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15447 15447] Correct spelling error on Phd Coded Enumeration Observation Profile page - 2018-Jan PHD #68  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15448 15448] Correct the link to "Generating the PHD Reported Time Stamp" on the Phd Coded Enumeration Observation Profile page - 2018-Jan PHD #69  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15449 15449] urn:iso:std:iso:11073:10101 should have a URL, or at least update the descriptive text to indicate "URN" instead of "URL". - 2018-Jan PHD #70  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15450 15450] Some of the URLs for the value sets don't work. The URLs should work, or the links should be removed and a description should be provided for how to access the contents of the value sets. - 2018-Jan PHD #71  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15451 15451] the mapping is from PHD to FHIR not the other way around - 2018-Jan PHD #72  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15452 15452] word change - 2018-Jan PHD #73  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15453 15453] Typo - 2018-Jan PHD #74  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15454 15454] Reference needed - 2018-Jan PHD #75  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15455 15455] Request for clarifying text. - 2018-Jan PHD #76  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15456 15456] Suggested word change. - 2018-Jan PHD #77  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15457 15457] Typo - 2018-Jan PHD #78  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15458 15458] link needed - 2018-Jan PHD #79  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15459 15459] the table with the measurement profiles should include the base measurement profile and the name of the FHIR profiles and maybe even the IEEE class name - 2018-Jan PHD #80  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15460 15460] Question about structural changes in FHIR versions. - 2018-Jan PHD #81  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15461 15461] word change - 2018-Jan PHD #82  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15462 15462] word change - 2018-Jan PHD #83  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15463 15463] can the leading "." for all FHIR attributes in the tables be deleted%3F - 2018-Jan PHD #84  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15464 15464] structure suggestion - 2018-Jan PHD #85  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15465 15465] creating DeviceMetric resources could be of interest as well - see email discussion - 2018-Jan PHD #86  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15466 15466] BLE GATT protocols are extensible, just not in a generic way. Please rephrase. - 2018-Jan PHD #87  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15467 15467] The profile hierarchy it is not visible in Forge when opening the xml structure definition files or in Simplifier.net. Can this be shown in a UML class diagram  / picture, with e.g. PHD Numeric being subclassed from PHD Base profile being subclassed from F  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15468 15468] Cardinality change suggestion - 2018-Jan PHD #89  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15469 15469] Clarifying suggestion - 2018-Jan PHD #90  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15470 15470] structure suggestion - 2018-Jan PHD #91  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15471 15471] structure suggestion  / question - 2018-Jan PHD #92  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15472 15472] correct BTLE acronym - 2018-Jan PHD #93  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15473 15473] structure definition missing - 2018-Jan PHD #94  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15474 15474] editorial  / language improvement - 2018-Jan PHD #95  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15475 15475] This empty profile and the strike-through text in the profile page and superfluous table should be removed. - 2018-Jan PHD #96  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15476 15476] Typo - 2018-Jan PHD #97  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15477 15477] Question - 2018-Jan PHD #98  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15478 15478] Seeking clarification. - 2018-Jan PHD #99  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15479 15479] There should be an attribute in DeviceComponent and /or Device that can carry multiple device types. E.g. DeviceComponent.type with 1..* multiplicity - 2018-Jan PHD #100  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15480 15480] Clarification suggestion  / question - 2018-Jan PHD #101  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15481 15481] PHD an PHG commonality question - 2018-Jan PHD #102  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15482 15482] Confusing text - 2018-Jan PHD #103  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15483 15483] Structure FHIR question. - 2018-Jan PHD #104  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15484 15484] Typo - 2018-Jan PHD #105  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15485 15485] Structure question - 2018-Jan PHD #106  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15486 15486] Structure question - 2018-Jan PHD #107  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15487 15487] Clarifying text - 2018-Jan PHD #108  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15488 15488] Structure question - 2018-Jan PHD #109  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15489 15489] Mapping the device information into deviceComponent resource is mentioned, but no exmaple is given - 2018-Jan PHD #110  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15490 15490] Confusing text - 2018-Jan PHD #111  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15491 15491] Consumer of FHIR resources, Consumer of PHD data, PHD decoder and creator of the FHIR resources are mentioned several times in the IG but no explanation is provided. So, I suggest short explanation /dictionary to avoid confusion when using the therms - 201  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15492 15492] Question - 2018-Jan PHD #113  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15493 15493] Observation.related will be replaces with Observation.derivedFormat and Observation.hasMember  (as it is announed on build.fhir.org). Should this be mentioned here as well%3F - 2018-Jan PHD #114  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15494 15494] The hierarchy of the profiles is missing. It is not mentioned that the defined Observation profiles are subclassed from the PHD Base Profile - 2018-Jan PHD #115  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15495 15495] In the structure definition, shouldn't the effectivePeriod be under effective%5Bx%5D%3F - 2018-Jan PHD #116  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15496 15496] Cardinality change suggestion - 2018-Jan PHD #117  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15497 15497] Structure definition is missing - 2018-Jan PHD #118  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15498 15498] Empty profile. If the profile is removed, is there a replacement defined  (as extension, or deviceComponent.type 0..*)%3F - 2018-Jan PHD #119  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15499 15499] If no Child DeviceComponent Profile exists, do we still need Phd Parent DevviceComponent Profile. Can it be called only Phd DeviceComponent Profile%3F - 2018-Jan PHD #120  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15500 15500] You should not take Device completely out of the workflow. We should not condemn potential consumers to mulitple query iterations to get at the same observation  (one looking at Device and one at Device Component) to save bandwitdh for the reporter on some  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15501 15501] You should not take Device completely out of the workflow. We should not condemn potential consumers to mulitple query iterations to get at the same observation  (one looking at Device and one at Device Component) to save bandwitdh for the reporter on some  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15502 15502] You should not take Device completely out of the workflow. We should not condemn potential consumers to mulitple query iterations to get at the same observation  (one looking at Device and one at Device Component) to save bandwitdh for the reporter on some  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15503 15503] You should not take Device completely out of the workflow. We should not condemn potential consumers to mulitple query iterations to get at the same observation  (one looking at Device and one at Device Component) to save bandwitdh for the reporter on some  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15504 15504] no content - 2018-Jan PHD #125  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15505 15505] Harmonization of PHD FHIR Resource Usage to the PoCD Resource model. - 2018-Jan PHD #126  <br/>
 
*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&amp;tracker_item_id=15506 15506] PHD IG Should Fully Integrate UCUM - 2018-Jan PHD #127  <br/>
 

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Devices on FHIR Meeting 2018-02-14

Web conference via FreeConferenceCall.com Online meeting id: devicesonfhir Access code 399374

Phone: +1 (605) 475-4703

Presiding Co-chair: John Rhoads

Last meeting: DoF_2018-02-07

Attendance: Stefan Karl (Philips), Koichiro Matsumoto (Nihon Kohden), Brian Reinhold (Lamprey Networks/PCHA), Martin Rosner (Philips), Ken Fuchs (Draeger), John Dyer (Draeger), Ali Nakoulima (Cerner), Ana Kostadinovska (Philips), Bjorn Andersen (University of Luebeck), Uwe Meyer (MT2IT), John Garguilo (NIST)

Agenda:

5 min: General update on Ballot activities (John Rhoads)

Remainder of meeting: Ballot comment resolution (Martin Rosner)

For reference: 2018JAN PHD Implementation Guide - Directory of Tracker Item Links

WG members decided since Brian Reinhold was present, to start with discussing his following ballot comments.

  • FHIR Change Requests #15380 Summary: The approach for handling multiple specializations and the use of a ChildDeviceComponent does not work in the PHD infrastructure. Voted: Mover/Seconder: For-Against-Abstain: Brian Reinhold/Martin Rosner: 8-0-3 Resolved, change required: adopt resolution "change the type from 0..1 to 0..* in the Device resource. This resolution is to request this change in the Device resource or consider a solution using an extension."
  • Change Requests #15381 Summary: Associated with the statement above, the ChildDeviceComponent is not needed. It is currently not done in this IG. - 2018-Jan PHD #3. After discussion, submitter Brian Reinhold withdrew the comment, considering it moot after resolution of [#15380]
  • FHIR Change Requests #15382 Summary: As stated in the IG itself the version of FHIR used by the IG is not compatible with the version of the tool used to create this IG. This descrepancy will need to be fixed when the tool supports R4. Resolution: Not related (voted Martin Rosner/Brian Reinhold/8-0-2) Comment: concerns the tooling, not the Implementation Guide. Toolsmiths are aware of the difficulty.
  • FHIR Change Requests #15383 Summary: Pointing to the PHG in the Observation resource instead of the DeviceComponent will allow the presence of a single DeviceComponent to represent the PHD regardless of the uploading application as it will contain information ONLY about the PHD. Persuasive with mod Resolution voted Brian Reinhold/Martin Rosner/8-0-2 was "Harmonization of the Device resource does not require 'related' link to the gateway. As such the solution to link to the gateway will need an extention in the resource Observation to enable referencing to the gateway in addition to referencing to the devices."

Considering the amount of time considering these items, the consensus of the group was to schedule additional time for an appropriate subgroup do preliminary analysis of the items with no votes, and summarize and recommend a resolution for briefer discussion with a quorum present for votes.

Meeting adjourned at 11:55 AM ET.

Next meeting: DoF_2018-02-21