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HL7 TSC FGB Meeting Minutes

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GoToMeeting ID: 619-977-733

Date: 2014-06-23
Time: 8:00 AM U.S. Eastern
Facilitator: Note taker(s): David
Quorum = Chair plus 2 yes/no
Co-Chair/CTO Members
George (Woody) Beeler Lorraine Constable Grahame Grieve David Hay
Dave Shaver Ewout Kramer Lloyd McKenzie (FMG) Ron Parker
John Quinn
observers/guests Austin Kreisler
regrets Lynn Laakso, scribe


  • Roll call -
  • Agenda Review
  • Approve minutes of 20140616 FGB concall
  • Action Item review:
  • FMG update -
  • Methodology update-
  • Next steps: Define and Resource other Governance processes.
    1. Conformity Assessment


Convened at8:09


  • Woody Beeler (WB) - Chair
  • David Hay (DH)
  • John Quinn (JQ)
  • Lorraine Constable (LC)
  • Ewout Kramer (EK)
  • Lloyd McKenzie (LM)
  • Dave Shaver (DS)
  • Agenda review
    • principles done (with FMG)
    • precepts to do
  • Review minutes dh move to accept EK second, LC abstained others agreed
  • Methodology update
    • meeting not held
  • Precepts
    • (WB) Cast in terms of principles. Goals match to principles
      • (LM) precepts address risk. Principles not about risk. Precepts address risk in a manner consistent with principles.
      • (LC) agree different angle, but should be consistent
    • (LM) what are the risks that could violate principles
    • (All) review structure of precepts display
    • (All) Confirm that precepts address risk
    • (LM) principles as a lens to identify risk. Start with identifying risks then can identify precepts
    • (LC) or risk mitigation
    • (EK) there is a list of risks already identified – but where are they?
    • (EK) found list thought google! Link: (Link in agenda)
    • (LM) Precept characteristics a bit more than a risk mitigation strategy – but what?
    • (LC) Precepts are: Objectives Standards Policies and Guidelines that address risk
      • A precept is an authoritative rule of action. Precepts are the essence of governance because they determine who has authority to make decisions, establish constraints for those decisions, and prescribe consequences for non-compliance.
      • Precepts codify decision making rules using four “sub-dimensions” or “characteristics describing a given precept”:
        • Objectives, which broadly define a precept and establish its overarching responsibility, authority, and goals
        • Policies, which define specific aspects of a precept and establish decision-making constraints and consequences in terms of permissions, prohibitions, obligations or authorizations
        • Standards, which specify the mandatory formats, technologies, processes, actions, and metrics that people are required to use and carry out in order to implement one or more policies
        • Guidelines, which are non-mandatory recommendations and best practices
      • more discussion:
    • (WB) Policy: what you see on GOM
    • (WB) Standards: what you see in methodology
    • (WB) GOM + FGB establish environment for FMG
    • (LM) Standards for artefacts – struggle with policy here
    • (LM) Policy is Do X or suffer consequences. Standards are definition of X
    • (LM) want to do more than just avoid risk
    • (WB) look at principles and say how they can’t me met = risks (LM) – starter set
    • (WB) how for is objective from a principle we want to achieve?

Next Steps

Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
  • (All) review list that EK found – starting point
  • (All) consider risks in context of principles
  • (All) generate objectives
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items

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