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ARB - Meeting (Date in Title)


  1. Call to order
  2. Roll Call
  3. Approval of Agenda
  4. Approval of Minutes
  5. Report from BA Framework tiger team(Abdul-Malik, Jane, Bo)
  6. Report from Architecture Project
  7. Other business and planning
  8. Adjournment

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Telcon

Date: 20120809
Time: 4:00pm U.S. Eastern
Facilitator Charlie Mead Note taker(s) Julian, Tony
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
X Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
. Grieve, Grahame Health Intersections Pty Ltd
X Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
X Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
X Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
X Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
. Ocasio, Wendell Agilex Technologies
R Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Guests
X Kreisler, Austin HL7 TSC Chair
X Abdul-Malik Shakir Shakir Consulting
. Legend
X Present
. Absent
R Regrets
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes


  1. Call to order
    1. The meeting was called to order at 4:05PM Eastern by Charlie Mead.
  2. Approval of Minutes and agenda.
    1. MOTION To approve the minutes (Zoran/ANdy)
    2. Vote' 7-0-0
  3. Report from BA Framework tiger team(AbdulMalik Shakir, Jane, Bo)
    1. Bo: Reviewed Task. AbdulMalik, Jane, Bo to create the Business Architectural Model (BAM) for HL7.
    2. Proposal was presented.
    3. Does not include current state.
    4. Cannot do top-down because we dont know the customers, and dont have a feedback loop from them.
    5. Current state documentation is missing, obsolete, or incomplete.
    6. Will use TOGAF ADM as a guide.
    7. There were no questions on application of TOGAF to the BAM.
    8. ZORAN: We should be replacing 'application' with 'service'
    9. Bo: Include Archimate META model. Appendix has META-META Model.
    10. BAM will adapt and extnd the Archimate Gusiness Layer meta-model by
      1. Simliffying the meta-model to the needs of HL7
      2. Extend the meta-model to include HL7 concepts.
    11. Archimate does not include business motivation, so the OMG Business Movivation Model is included.
    12. Reviewed and understood the meta-models to produce the meta-model for the BAM.
    13. Introduced a Proposed Meta-Model for HL7 BAM, which links Archimate Business Architectur eMeta-Model to the OMG Business Motivation Model.
    14. Added a notion of influence, which include priority, requirement, and quality metric.
    15. Models are linked by influencer to role, and Product value to Desired Result.
    16. Zoran: Have you thought of introducing concepts from SAIF? We have most of the roles, except for product. Should we consider using SAIF more actually in the meta-model.
    17. Bo: Good comment, something we should do for future work.
    18. Charlie: Yes, align with SAIF.Apply constructs in SAIF.
    19. Zoran: I can apply mapping between Archimate and SAIF.
    20. Bo: Retain this structure and show mapping, or abandon and use SAIF.
    21. Zoran: We need to keep some elements of Archimate such a product.
    22. Lorraine: Agree with Zoran.
    23. AbdulMalik: Anything that is in here that is covered in SAIF we should use those definitions. SAIF does not talk about product, or product values.
    24. Andy: Classic architecture was not the target of SAIF. We should be careful not to use SAIF for unintended usage.
    25. Jane: THe biggest impact will be on the usage of roles: HL7 internal interacting with external parties. We interoperate on both requirments gathering and design with the representatives of our customers, who participate as both an internal member as well as an external member. Atypical representation of customers and products because it is a collaboration.
    26. Zoran: Clarification: I am familiar with Archimate and SAIF. What is politically better for us? There is significant overlap between Archimate and SAIF, since Archimate has its roots in ODP.
    27. AbdulMalik: We should reuse the work we have done in SAIF.
    28. Charlie:This is an example where the boundary between architectures. We shol use SAIF term where possible, but dont force SAIF to do things it does not do.
    29. Bo: Use SAIF where the terms are duplicate.
    30. Charlie: If Zoran is willing to do the mapping, it would be nice to see the overlaps. We spent a fair amount of time working on governance, which is mature in SAIF.
    31. Zoran: I dont see policy.
    32. Jane: A policy is a type of directive which is a type of means.
    33. AbculMalik: We can align with SAIF, specially if Zoran will do the mapping, then the tiger team can bolt it in.
    34. Bo: There are tasks to review bullets 1,2,3, and go through the product descriptions against TOGAF inputs and outputs to define what is applicable for the BAM.
    35. BO will send to Tony for distribution
    36. Bo: AbdulMalik also put together a package, with more detailed views of the packages.
    37. AbdulMalik: Remember it is evolving. Send it out. We are going to meet on tuesday at 2:30, so comments are welcome prior to that.
    38. Jane: Note that AbdulMalik will include the work we have done in EA to maintain the model.
    39. Lorraine: Check into gforge.
    40. Zoran: Do you have the latest version of Archimate?
    41. Bo: I used the latest publically available version.
  4. Report from Architecture Project
    1. Austin: Formal Approval from the board to do formal product lines. They did not care about the details. Many of the Board members will have things to say about specific product lines.
  5. Other business and planning
  6. Adjournment
    1. Adjourned at 4:43pm Eastern

--Tony Julian 20:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)