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HL7 Tooling Meeting Agenda/Minutes

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Date: 2012-08-23
Time: 10:00 am EDT
Facilitator: Jane Curry Note taker(s): Lynn Laakso
Attendee Name, Affiliation
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Woody Beeler, Beeler Consulting
x Wilfred Bonney, HL7 HQ
x Joshua Carmody, HL7 HQ Tooling Administrator
x Dennis Cheung
Lorraine Constable, HL7 ES liaison
x Jane Curry, Co-Chair
x Walter Grant
Tim Ireland, Co-chair
x Austin Kreisler
x Lynn Laakso, HL7 HQ Tooling Support
x Abdul-Malik Shakir, Shakir Consulting
John Ritter, EHR
x Andy Stechishin, Co-chair
Michael van der Zel, HL7 PC and RIMBAA liaison
Quorum Requirements Met (co-chair plus 3 counting staff): yes


Agenda Topics

Supporting Documents


Minutes/Conclusions Reached:

  • Roll Call & Agenda Review - Austin asks for comments on Grahame's tooling strategy first, then must leave for the SDWG call.
  • PI# 801 Tooling Strategy and Process Revision
    • response to Grahame's Tooling Strategy
    • Andy notes that he agrees with Grahame's formula but not all factors may have been considered. Tools are hard to evaluate in value provided for standards quality versus cost to create. Jane notes we must begin to assemble a way of budgeting that allows for TCO calculation with maintenance and enhancement and includes valuation of the volunteer time contributed.
    • Austin notes that we must also put the tooling strategy into the context of the new governance/management/methodology framework.
  • Jane asks about the entry on the WGM agenda. Joint meeting planned Tuesday Q3 for SDWG, Publishing, MnM, ITS etc. Templates ITS would be a good update at that session or perhaps at SDWG Q4. Tooling strategy is typically Thursday Q2. Austin will note this.
  • Approval of previous minutes from 2012-08-16 Tooling Call Andy moves approval, Lynn seconds. Unanimously approved.
  • How to communicate the upcoming GForge upgrade changes - Josh reports that it will occur without our intervention. Need communication on what features will be updated. Joshua will draft an email for the Tooling list. Joshua adds that it could be included in the e-News. Andy suggests we mention it at the co-chairs dinner/meeting on Monday night. Lynn suggests she work with Joshua and include it on the Tooling slide rotation in the General Session room.
  • Tooling Agenda at Baltimore, Tooling_WGM_2012_Sep
    • Andy will not be attending, so revision needed to cover his chairperson sessions. Tooling is down to one cochair at the WGM.
    • RIMBAA hosted Mon Q3 needs chairing, this is a session where RIMBAA comes to Tooling with issues as they don't typically attend the liaison calls. Jane can chair but needs background. The RIMBAA thread should be reviewed.
    • Tuesday Q3 hosted by Structured Docs, where agenda is primarily ITS and MnM. Andy suggests Woody could liaise for us if Jane is not available.
    • Tuesday Tooling Jane will kick off with Grahame and Ewout presenting Implementing with FHIR.
    • Weds Q4 cancelled as Vocab joining us Thursday Q2.
    • Thurs Q2, MAX (30 min) and EHR projects, Tooling Strategy, Liaison update
    • Tues Q2 Jane will go through the other projects.
    • Jane has a conflict on Friday Q1 and cannot attend with Templates.
  • Review projects:
    Tooling-sponsored Projects
    • PI# 913 HL7 Tooling Challenge
      • Tooling Challenge submission process for announcement at WGM
        • How are submissions entered, and supported?
      • Tooling Challenge award selection process - a race or judged competition?
        • Currently states that it is the first one submitted; is that the case or a judged set of entries? Andy feels a race, with criteria, is better. Review panel with reps from Tooling and OMG might have to conduct a succession of reviews. Multiple, identical entries might become largely subjective to judge. Are we seeking just any solution, or the 'best' solution? Subjective criteria can be employed regarding usability, lack of presumption of deep knowledge of UML or HL7 to understand the submission. Is the lack of complexity of the challenge a problem with the contest? AMS suggests judging by extensibility, such as how the MIF has evolved. He adds that the profile that requires least amount of change to HL7 current practice is preferred. Josh suggests that if judging finds two submissions similar in merit, the preference will go to the entry that was submitted first. AMS could send an historical profile to the cochairs to put a document on the wiki as a starting place, unless we want to start with a blank slate.
        • Methodology references are the MIF and Core Principles.
        • Jane edits the wiki page. Date for intent to submit entries by 2013 May WGM determined. The opportunity to ask questions of the Tooling WG could be provided at May WGM, with judging to begin in July 2013. AMS agrees to serve on the panel.
        • Josh reports that he'll be working on a web page for visibility, potentially including a countdown timer, etc.
        • AMS suggests that another criterion might include working with other tools like MagicDraw, Visio, and Rational, etc. Sparx is sponsor so EA is the tool of choice and has more to do with other tools' metamodel. Can offer advantage for profiles that work with other tools?
    • PI# 742 Model Automated Exchange (MAX) for UML Models
      • CIC meeting 2 PM today and AMS will discuss reissuance of MAX RFP and participation on panel.
    • PI# 904 HL7/OHT Health Ingenuity Exchange Alpha Program Participation
      • HL7 Management discussions continue, and decision to participate as alpha will show up in CTO report at WGM. Grahame's tooling strategy and FHIR have higher priority at this WGM. Review again next week.
  • Adjourned 11:10 AM EDT

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