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The WG attempted to define the work for this, but could not after reviewing the models. We understand that there are SNOMED codes, the codes developed by the AHRQ and the HL7 service delivery codes that need to be reviewed, but the WG feels that current needs might be met by the codes referenced, until we can meet with representatives from Patient Safety.
 
The WG attempted to define the work for this, but could not after reviewing the models. We understand that there are SNOMED codes, the codes developed by the AHRQ and the HL7 service delivery codes that need to be reviewed, but the WG feels that current needs might be met by the codes referenced, until we can meet with representatives from Patient Safety.
  
Current implementations will most likely be affected by any change from the current HL7 usage of codes to SNOMED codes. The WG needs to take this into consideration before deciding to change. Currently Canada is using the HL7 list as currently defined. HL7 Norway will confirm what codes they are using. Gaby noted that in the US for the consolidated CDA, there is a usage of National Healthcare location code from the CDC.<br/>
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Current implementations will most likely be adversly affected by any change from the current HL7 usage of codes to SNOMED codes. The WG needs to take this into consideration before deciding to change. Currently Canada is using the HL7 list as currently defined. HL7 Norway will confirm what codes they are using. Gaby noted that in the US for the consolidated CDA, there is a usage of National Healthcare location code that seems to be derived from the CDC references.<br/>
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The WG at this point is at an empass with this topic at this point. <br/>
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Advise Ted, Lise and Peter that we have implementors using the service delivery locations as defined within the (Encounter) specification for Service Delivery Location.<br/>
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The WG considers that we do have implementaions that use the current HL7 vocabulary for Service Delivery Location codes and implementing SNOMED within administrative systems would be a huge impact. There is not enough interest in moving to SNOMED for these systems to recommend changing the current usage of HL7 codes. No requirements have been found to move to SNOMED<br/>
  
 
===Meeting Outcomes===
 
===Meeting Outcomes===

Revision as of 19:32, 14 May 2012


Patient Administration Work Group Minutes - Monday May 14, 2012

Monday Q1

HL7 Patient Administration Meeting Minutes

Location: Room # 2761

Date: 2012-05-14
Time: Monday Q1
Facilitator Irma Jongeneel Note taker Alex de Leon
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Alex de Leon Kaiser Permanente
X Irma Jongeneel HL7 Netherlands
X Barry Guinn EPIC
X Iryna Roy HL7 Canada
Quorum Requirements Met (Chair + 4 members): N

Agenda

Agenda Topics
Welcome/introductions

Supporting Documents

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:


The week's agenda was reviewed by the WG:

The WG may use Wed Q1 and Q2 for inderdependent registries if we complete the work, since we have representation for this work.

For Wed Q4, Harmonization proposals. Link/Unlink will be discussed, answering the commentor of why this was rejected by harmonization.

The mission and charter was then reviewed. There was discussion whether these will be reviewed once a year in January as is done in some other WGs. This can be voted upon once quorum is reached.

The WG reviewed the Decision Making Practices and noted that this is consistent with current requirements.

Motion: Barry motioned, Irnya second to lower quorum from chair plus 4 to chair plus 3.

Vote: 4/0/0

Discussion: None

Motion passed.

The WG continued to review the PA mission and charter.

In reviewing the formal relationships with other work groups, the WG considered for future work a "harmonization" of the financial management domain and patient adminstration domains to assure that they work together.

Under formal relationships with other work groups, where it states Infrastrucutre and Messaging (for registries) expanding the text in parens to include location of the registries topic within Specification infrastructure-messaging-master file/ registry infrastucture.

The WG reviewed the decision making practices, the WG considered officially lowering quorum within the decision making practices. Irma suggested that we check with HL7 governance to do so.

A motion was made by Alex to officially change the decision making practices quorum from co-chair plus 4 to co-chair plus 3, as long as it is permitted by the HL7 governance.

Seconded by Irnya

Vote: 3/0/0

Discussion: Irnya stated that we still need to make decisions, even though attendance has waned due to the stability of the standard. This decision will be in line with the historical practices within the last year and a half, where we have had to lower quorum to chair plus 3.

Meeting Outcomes

Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
  • .
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items
  • .


Monday Q2

HL7 Patient Administration Meeting Minutes

Location: Llano conference room

Date: 2011-01-16
Time: Monday Q2
Facilitator Irma Jongeneel Note taker Alex de Leon
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Alex de Leon Kaiser Permanente
X Irma Jongeneel HL7 Netherlands
X Barry Guinn EPIC
X Iryna Roy HL7 Canada
X Gaby Jewell Cerner
X Oyvind Aassve HL7 Norway
Quorum Requirements Met (Chair + 4 members): Y/N

Agenda

Agenda Topics

  1. V3 Work – Service Delivery Location - Peter Goldschmidt

Supporting Documents

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:

The US Agency for Healthcare Quality and Research (AHRQ) developed a set of service delivery codes to support their Common Formats reporting templates, and SNOMED has also created codes. Ted Klein (on behalf of AHRQ) is apparently evaluating the two code sets. There may be a need to review/discuss any service delivery location code sets that are referenced in the specifications within the scope of the PAWG.

The WG reviewedd the service delivery location DMIM to give context to the members. Iryna reviewed what HL7 Canada uses for these codes. They use the HL7 codes.

The WG reviewed the role codes for the service delivery location. These would be the codes to be compared to the SNOMED codes. The WG continued to look at the encounter model to review how the service delivery location is modeled there.<be/>

The WG attempted to define the work for this, but could not after reviewing the models. We understand that there are SNOMED codes, the codes developed by the AHRQ and the HL7 service delivery codes that need to be reviewed, but the WG feels that current needs might be met by the codes referenced, until we can meet with representatives from Patient Safety.

Current implementations will most likely be adversly affected by any change from the current HL7 usage of codes to SNOMED codes. The WG needs to take this into consideration before deciding to change. Currently Canada is using the HL7 list as currently defined. HL7 Norway will confirm what codes they are using. Gaby noted that in the US for the consolidated CDA, there is a usage of National Healthcare location code that seems to be derived from the CDC references.

The WG at this point is at an empass with this topic at this point.

Advise Ted, Lise and Peter that we have implementors using the service delivery locations as defined within the (Encounter) specification for Service Delivery Location.

The WG considers that we do have implementaions that use the current HL7 vocabulary for Service Delivery Location codes and implementing SNOMED within administrative systems would be a huge impact. There is not enough interest in moving to SNOMED for these systems to recommend changing the current usage of HL7 codes. No requirements have been found to move to SNOMED

Meeting Outcomes

Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
  • .
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items
  • .

Monday Q3

HL7 Patient Administration Meeting Minutes

Location: Garden Terrace, Suite #137

Date: 2012-05-14
Time: Monday Q3
Facilitator Alex de Leon Note taker Alex de Leon
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Alex de Leon Kaiser Permanente
X Irma Jongeneel HL7 Netherlands
Quorum Requirements Met (Chair + 4 members): Y/N

Agenda

Agenda Topics

  1. V3 Work - Patient ID - presented by Christian Hay

Supporting Documents

Presentation

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:


Meeting Outcomes

Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
  • .
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items
  • .

Monday Q4

HL7 Patient Administration Meeting Minutes

Location: Garden Terrace, Suite #137

Date: 2012-05-14
Time: Monday Q4
Facilitator Irma Jongeneel Note taker Alex de Leon
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Alex de Leon Kaiser Permanente
X Irma Jongeneel HL7 Netherlands
Quorum Requirements Met (Chair + 4 members): Y/N

Agenda

Agenda Topics

  1. V3 Work Preparation Discussion- Harmonization of Encounter and Care Provision models

Supporting Documents

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:


Meeting Outcomes

Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
  • .
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items
  • .

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