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RIMBAA 201101 Minutes Sydney
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Agenda for the January 2011 WGM (January 9-14) in Sydney Australia
Contents
TUE Q6 - Room 2.09 (19:00-21:00) 
- Administrative agenda items
- Approval of the minutes of the London meeting
- Announcements
- Planning of next meetings
- RIMBAA 201103 Agenda in Washington DC, USA
- Andy will inform HIAL in Canada about this meeting.
- RIMBAA 201105 Agenda in Orlando FL, USA
- HL7 UK has offered to host another RIMBAA meeting, to be held in November 2011.
- RIMBAA 201103 Agenda in Washington DC, USA
- Dealing with "Context" of a payload (max 60 minutes)
- During the London UK meeting is was noted that various projects use similar approaches when it comes to dealing with the context of 'payload data'. The Canadian specs use subject and author in the ControlAct wrapper (only); Jean and Lorraine presented the fact that NCI uses v3 based services where subject and author are part of the service parameters and not the service payload, and RIMBAA has been discussing the concept of Context SMIRFs. These are all similar approaches to remove context from the actual payload.
- Another aspect which is done both in the context of the NCI services as well as the SMIRF concept: moodCodes are fixed, and even classCodes are fixed (or: the value sets are severely constrained)
- Discussion by (amongst others): Jean D, Patrick L
- Creation of an LDM/PDM based on the RIM (Abdul-Malik Shakir) (max 30 minutes)
- AMS was one of the first persons in HL7 to discuss a method for the creation of PDMs based on DIMs. He has been involved in such projects a number of times. He'll review what he sees as the crucial steps in deriving a LDM from the RIM.
- Use of a (meta-)model registry in a RIMBAA environment (Abdul-Malik Shakir) (max 30 minutes)
- A model registry contains the definitions of the RIM-based models used within an application (e.g. for processing, for versioning, for storage or querying).
- See slides 8 and 9 in this presentation: [1]; see slides in AMS presentation; NCI probably has work in this area as well.
(January 13th) THUR Q3 - Room 5.02
- This quarter as well as the next quarter will focus on the commonalities between OpenEHR implementation issues and RIMBAA implementation issues. (Please note that this meeting, like all HL7 meetings, is open to all interested parties - provided they registered for the Thursday of the HL7 WGM.)
- Given that OpenEHR implementations are based on a reference model, with reference model based persistence, a template/archetype based services layer, ISO datatypes, they must be facing many of the same issues as the HL7 RIMBAA implementers. Looking at a paper like [2] confirms this thinking.
- Whilst acknowledging that there are differences of opinion between members of the two organizations as to what the proper approach to clinical data modeling is: these differences are less important at the software architecture/implementation level which is the only level this WG focuses on.
- User Interface generation (see [3] and [4] on the OpenEHR Wiki, and User Interface for RIMBAA Applications on the HL7 Wiki)
- based on Archetype/DCM/Template definitions
- based on data types
- Persistence
- of Archetype/DCM/Template/SMIRF Instances
- using the reference model / RIM as a LDM
- querying subsets of data
- Archetype ADL(OpenEHR)/MIF(HL7) based MDA
THUR Q4 - Room 5.02
- Continuation of the agenda from THUR Q3
FRI Q1 - Room 5.06 (09:00-10:30)
- Wrap-up, methodology issues surfaced by RIMBAA implementations
MON Q4 - Room 5.06 
Attendance (Marked X)
| At | Name | Affiliation | Email Address |
|---|---|---|---|
| X | Andy Stechislin | GordonPoint, CA | andy.stechishin@gmail.com |
| X | Lorraine Constable | CA | lorraine@constable.ca |
| X | Rene Spronk | Ringholm, NL | rene.spronk@ringholm.com |
Minutes
- The meeting is not quorate. An informal meeting was held instead.
- Administrative agenda items
- Announcements
- Rene: I talked with I/C this morning (Q1) about the perceived overlap in mission, name and scope between Implementation/Conformance and RIMBAA. The scope of RIMBAA has widened from its focus on the RIM to the gathering of best practices about v3 software implementation in general.
- I/C wishes to keep its name, change its mission to 'exclude software development', and to 'include testing'.
- RIMBAA may wish to change its name to 'software development' (?), and change its scope to be about software implementation of all HL7 standards, not just HL7 v3 or the RIM.
- Andy: name should be SAMBAA or RAMBAA or something, to keep on using a cool name.
- (added after the meeting took place, and as such this doesn't form part of the official minutes of the meeting) This idea was presented to the Foundation & Technology steering division on Monday evening. It was presented as a FYI only, without a request for any action on the part of the SD. Feedback from those present is that it makes sense. Woody comments on a statement by Rene related to the scope of the Tooling committee: it is within its scope to create implementation oriented tooling, and it is in the tooling roadmap. Rene: Indeed; anyway, RIMBAA has in its mission to support the creation of such tools by third parties, and as such there is no overlap. Create draft/updated mission statements, agree in WG, foward informatively on the SD list for comments.
- ACTION Rene to craft a draft/updated mission statement, to use that as a basis for discussions within the WG, and to forward any outcome to the SD list as an FYI for comments.
- Rene: I talked with I/C this morning (Q1) about the perceived overlap in mission, name and scope between Implementation/Conformance and RIMBAA. The scope of RIMBAA has widened from its focus on the RIM to the gathering of best practices about v3 software implementation in general.
- Announcements
- Report from the Canada Health Infoway fall partnership conference held on November 15-17 2010.
- This meeting contains presentations on RIMBAA topics, as well as a v3 implementation tutorials. Lloyd McKenzie, Lorraine Constable and Andy Stechishin will be in attendance, and they'll provide feedback to RIMBAA.
- Andy/Lorraine: meeting was probably more abstract than what RIMBAA is interested in. More architectural in nature.
- Focus of partner meetings is increasingly towards implementers. May a RIMBAA session may be helpful. Andy will investigate whether this is an option.
- ACTION: Andy/Lorraine to send URLs of key presentations and snippets of text describing their contents.
- ACTION: Andy to follow up on MBT (software itself, and/or its architecture) and message instance editor.
- Report on new issues/insights brought forward that the RIMBAA meetings in London and Cambridge.
- This item was not discussed.
- User Interfaces - generation from Templates/DCMs, NHS CUI project
- SMIRF - SMall Isolated RIM Fragments
- Discussion of RIMBAA Issues
- See RIMBAA Issues
- The Migration from HL7 v2 to HL7 v3 issue was briefly discussed.
- Rene raised a new issue: the implementation of LDAP based registries (notably for providers) whilst using v3-mappable models. (See the RIM based LDAP Registries page, empty as of the point of this meeting)
- Meeting adjourned at 16:40
Meeting Attendance (marked P)
| At | Name | Affiliation | Email Address |
|---|---|---|---|
| Adel Ghlamallah | CIHI, CA | aghlamallah@infoway.ca | |
| Alan Nicol | Informatics, UK | alan.nicol@informatics.co.uk | |
| Alejandro Pica | EMA, UK | alejandro.pica@ema.europa.eu | |
| Alexander Henket | E-Novation, NL | alexander.henket@enovation.nl | |
| Alex de Jong | Siemens, US | alex.dejong@siemens.com | |
| Alex Zupan | ItalTBS, IT | alex.zupan@italtbs.com | |
| Ameet Pathak | Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, US | ameet_pathak@dfci.harvard.edu | |
| Amnon Shabo | IBM, IL | shabo@il.ibm.com | |
| Andrew McIntyre | Medical Objects, AU | andrew@medical-objects.com.au | |
| Andy Stechislin | GordonPoint, CA | andy.stechishin@gmail.com | |
| Anil Luthra | Guidewire Architecture, US | aluthra@guidewirearchitecture.com | |
| Ann Wrightson | NHS Wales, UK | ann.wrightson@wales.nhs.uk | |
| Bill Friggic | Sanofi Aventis, US | william.friggic@sanofi-aventis.com | |
| Brian Pech | KP, US | brian.pech@kp.org | |
| Bruce McKinnon | JassCo, CA | bruce.mckinnon@jassco.ca | |
| Charlie McCay | Ramsey, UK | charlie@ramseysystems.com | |
| Chirag Bhatt | FEI Systems, US | chirag.bhatt@feisystems.com | |
| Chris Winters | Vocollect Healthcare Systems, Inc., US | cwinters@healthcare.vocollect.com | |
| Dave Barnet | NHS, UK | david.barnet@nhs.net | |
| David Rowed | Ocean Informatics, AU | david.rowed@oceaninformatics.com | |
| Diane Gutiw | SAIC, US | gutiwd@saic.com | |
| Duana Bender | Mohawk College, CA | duane.bender@mohawkcollege.ca | |
| Ed Larsen | Larsen Inc., US | e.laresen@ix.netcom.com | |
| Ernst de Bel | UMCN, NL | e.debel@ic.umcn.nl | |
| Ewout Kramer | Furore, NL | e.kramer@furore.com | |
| Gordon Raup | Carefacts, US | graup@carefacts.com | |
| Grahame Grieve | AU | grahameg@gmail.com | |
| Hugh Glover | BlueWave Informatics, UK | hugh_glover@bluewaveinformatics.co.uk | |
| Ilia Fortunov | Microsoft, US | iliaf@microsoft.com | |
| John Finbraaten | Marshfield Clinic, US | finbraaten.john@marshfieldclinic.org | |
| John Harvey | Iatric, US | john.harvey@iatric.com | |
| John Koisch | Guidewire Architecture, CA | jkoisch@guidewirearchitecture.com | |
| John Timm | IBM, US | johntimm@us.ibm.com | |
| John Ulmer | ??, US | johnu@clemson.edu | |
| Kai Heitmann | Heitmann Consulting, DE | hl7@kheitmann.de | |
| Kenneth Weng | CareFx, US | kweng@carefx.com | |
| Lyssa Neel | Infoway, CA | pneel@infoway.ca | |
| Lorraine Constable | CA | lorraine@constable.ca | |
| Marilyn Maguire | Fuji Med, US | marilyn.maguire@fujimed.com | |
| Mario Roy | Iatric, US | mario.roy@iatric.com | |
| Mark Bevivino | Iatric, US | markb@iatric.com | |
| Mark Shafarman | Shafarman Consulting, US | mark.shafarman@earthlink.net | |
| Mark Tucker | Regenstrief, US | mtucker@regenstrief.org | |
| Massimo Frossi | Ital TBS, IT | massimo.frossi@italtbs.com | |
| Michael van der Zel | Groningen University Hospital, and Results4Care, NL |
m.van.der.zel@ict.umcg.nl | |
| Mike Rossman | KP, US | michael.j.rossman@kp.org | |
| Muhammad Afzal | SEECS, PK | muhammad.afzal@seecs.edu.pk | |
| Paul Boyes | Guidewire Architecture, CA | pboyes@guidewirearchitecture.com | |
| Peter Hendler | KP, US | peter@hendler.net | |
| X | Rene Spronk | Ringholm, NL | rene.spronk@ringholm.com |
| Richard Kronstad | Carefacts | rkronstad@carefacts.com | |
| Rik Smithies | NHS, UK | rik@nprogram.co.uk | |
| Robert Worden | Charteris, US | robert.worden@charteris.com | |
| Sean Muir | VA, US | sean.muir@va.gov | |
| Scott Parkey | Axolotl, US | sparkey@axolotl.com | |
| Stacy Berger | COH | sberger@coh.org | |
| Steve Fine | Cerner, US | sfine@cerner.com | |
| Tessa van Stijn | Nictiz, NL | stijn@nictiz.nl | |
| Tim Dodd | CA | tim.dodd@health.gov.sk.ca | |
| Tod Ryal | Cerner, US | tryal@cerner.com | |
| Yunwei Wang | Siemens, US | yunwei.wang@siemens.com | |
| Zhijing Liu | Siemens, US | zhijing.liu@siemens.com |
