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This is the [[RIMBAA|RIMBAA WG]] agenda of the WGM in San Diego, September 2011
 
This is the [[RIMBAA|RIMBAA WG]] agenda of the WGM in San Diego, September 2011
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==MON Q3 (13:45-15:00) Windsor West [[Image:Business-Icon.jpg]] [[Image:Technical med.gif]]==
 
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#Administrative agenda items (max 30 minutes)
 
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#*Call to order by Rene at 13:55
 
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#*Approval of agenda for the week
 
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#*Announcements
 
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#*Approval of the minutes of the [[RIMBAA 201105 Agenda|Orlando WGM]] (May 2011)
 
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#**MOTION to approve the minutes of the RIMBAA meeting in Orlando, as available on the HL7 website ([http://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/java/minutes/RIMBAA_May2011_Minutes_Orlando.zip http://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/java/minutes/RIMBAA_May2011_Minutes_Orlando.zip]).
 
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#*Annual (brief) review of the [[RIMBAA Mission and Charter]]
 
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#*Annual (brief) review of the [[RIMBAA SWOT]]
 
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#*Update of the [[RIMBAA three year plan]] and the [[Creation of a Set of RIMBAA Whitepapers]] project.
 
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#*Brief update on the [[Fresh Look]] activities by Michael van der Zel
 
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#**No relevant activities for RIMBAA, focus is on clinical models and modelling.
 
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#Everest: a MIF based code generator for .net (Justin Fyfe, Mohawk College, CA) (max.30 minutes)
 
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#*Everest (see [http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/ http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/]) is a [[MIF]] based code/class generator for .net. In 2011 it was announced that the toolkit now offerst support for MIFs published in universal-realm normative editions, and the roadmap envisions a Java version as well.
 
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#**Note: Everest has been presented before during a RIMBAA meeting, see [[RIMBAA: Marc-HI Everest]]. The presentation in San Diego will focus on new developments and experiences.
 
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#*Justin will introduce the toolkit, its architecture, and will show how it can be used in a project to enable v3 support in an application. His presentation will include a coding demonstration.
 
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#*He will also show some of the details of the data type library (See his blogposts: [http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/?p=90 Everest 1.0 Data Type Operations], [http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/?p=103 IVL and PIVL]) and how one could re-use the data type libraries as contained in Everest / jEverest (for example, see this blogpost: [http://www.mgrid.net/blogs/connect-to-mgrid-using-dot-net Connect to MGRID using Everest]).
 
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#*.net/Java platform. maintain 2 codebasis, no automated translation. use features of the platform.
 
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#*jEverest -  Java version of Everest.
 
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#*'from MIF to code' slide: GPMR general purpose MIf reformatter. COR = OO representation of the model. Run an optimizer,
 
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#*detect re-usable bits in the models.
 
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#*COR renderer into other formats e.g. C#/HTML/Java/JSON
 
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#*Q2 2012 release of Everest 1.0 - jEverest/Everest
 
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#Adjourned at 15:15
 
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==WED Q6 (19:00-21:00) Royal Palm Salon 1 [[Image:Technical med.gif]]==
 
==WED Q6 (19:00-21:00) Royal Palm Salon 1 [[Image:Technical med.gif]]==
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#The architecture of RIM based persistence
 
#The architecture of RIM based persistence
 
#*Review of issues and summary whitepaper  
 
#*Review of issues and summary whitepaper  
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==September 12 (Monday Q3)==
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|-
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!width=”35%”|Workgroup
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!width="15%"| Location
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|'''RIMBAA WG'''||2011-09-12, <br/>13:45-15:00||San Diego CA, US||Chair/Scribe: Rene Spronk
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===Attendance===
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To-do
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===Minutes===
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#Administrative agenda items (max 30 minutes)
 +
#*Call to order by Rene at 13:55
 +
#*Approval of agenda for the week
 +
#**Approved without changes.
 +
#*Announcements
 +
#*Approval of the minutes of the [[RIMBAA 201105 Agenda|Orlando WGM]] (May 2011)
 +
#**MOTION to approve the minutes of the RIMBAA meeting in Orlando, as available on the HL7 website ([http://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/java/minutes/RIMBAA_May2011_Minutes_Orlando.zip http://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/java/minutes/RIMBAA_May2011_Minutes_Orlando.zip]). Peter/Michael, 9-0-1 (Y-N-Abst)
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#*Annual (brief) review of the [[RIMBAA Mission and Charter]]
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#**Reviewed, no changes
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#*Annual (brief) review of the [[RIMBAA SWOT]]
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#**Add to 'weaknesses' - most implementers are not authors, which makes it hard to create whitepapers
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#**Duane offers to ask a post-graduate at Mohawk college to assist/author whitepapers.
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#*Update of the [[RIMBAA three year plan]] and the [[Creation of a Set of RIMBAA Whitepapers]] project.
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#**3-year plan: may wish to add the creation of a 'reference implementation'. Add issue to the agenda of our Thursday Q3 meeting
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#**Whitepapers: Michael offers to write one on the topic of 'using RIMBAA in clinical research'.
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#*Brief update on the [[Fresh Look]] activities by Michael van der Zel
 +
#**No relevant activities for RIMBAA, focus is on clinical models and modelling.
 +
#Everest: a MIF based code generator for .net (Justin Fyfe, Mohawk College, CA) (max.30 minutes)
 +
#*Everest (see [http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/ http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/]) is a [[MIF]] based code/class generator for .net. In 2011 it was announced that the toolkit now offerst support for MIFs published in universal-realm normative editions, and the roadmap envisions a Java version as well.
 +
#**Note: Everest has been presented before during a RIMBAA meeting, see [[RIMBAA: Marc-HI Everest]]. The presentation in San Diego will focus on new developments and experiences.
 +
#*Justin will introduce the toolkit, its architecture, and will show how it can be used in a project to enable v3 support in an application. His presentation will include a coding demonstration.
 +
#*He will also show some of the details of the data type library (See his blogposts: [http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/?p=90 Everest 1.0 Data Type Operations], [http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/?p=103 IVL and PIVL]) and how one could re-use the data type libraries as contained in Everest / jEverest (for example, see this blogpost: [http://www.mgrid.net/blogs/connect-to-mgrid-using-dot-net Connect to MGRID using Everest]).
 +
#*.net/Java platform. maintain 2 codebasis, no automated translation. use features of the platform.
 +
#*jEverest -  Java version of Everest.
 +
#*'from MIF to code' slide: GPMR general purpose MIf reformatter. COR = OO representation of the model. Run an optimizer,
 +
#*detect re-usable bits in the models.
 +
#*COR renderer into other formats e.g. C#/HTML/Java/JSON
 +
#*Q2 2012 release of Everest 1.0 - jEverest/Everest
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#Adjourned at 15:15
  
 
==Meeting Attendance (marked X)==
 
==Meeting Attendance (marked X)==

Revision as of 23:12, 12 September 2011

This is the RIMBAA WG agenda of the WGM in San Diego, September 2011

WED Q6 (19:00-21:00) Royal Palm Salon 1 Technical med.gif

  1. Administrative agenda items
  2. OpenCDS - implementation aspects of a clinical decision support application based on the HL7 vMR standard (Ken Kawamoto, co-chair CDS WG, University of Utah) (max. 30 minutes)
    1. (Kawamoto) A brief introduction to OpenCDS and how it is using the proposed vMR standard (basically a simplified view of the RIM for CDS)
    2. (Andrew McIntyre) demo of the Gello authoring tool and how it can read v3 messages and a vmr defined by the grammar that is being balloted. The relationship with Query Expression and Execution Technology will be discussed as well.
    • As a reference, the standard slide set for OpenCDS is available as the top link in the References section of www.opencds.org.
  3. Resources For Health: A Fresh Look Proposal (Grahame Grieve, max 60 minutes).
    • RFH in essence proposes a RESTful protocol in conjunction with XML-based Resources (which in RIMBAA align neatly with our concept of SMIRFs). The XML has a predefined structure, elements are linked to a RIM-based data dictionary. This is basically the same thought as the Micro ITS. I called his approach "HL7 v3 taken to the next step" - it combines some recent best practices in implementing v3 with a number of internet/open standards.
    • Grahame will discuss implementation aspects of RFH, as well as the relationship between a Resource and a SMIRF, issues around aggregation of resources and the querying of sets of resources.

THU Q2 (11:00-12:30) Tooling WG [room: Clarendon] Technical med.gif

  • Note: this is a meeting of the Tooling WG, RIMBAA representatives have been requested to attend. See Tooling agenda for this WGM.
  • Topic up for discussion: Tooling Tactical Plan, Formalize liaisons to other WG.
  • The tactical plan will be changed to (at the request of the board) include tools for software implementers [of standards], whereas the focus up to now has been on tools for standards development.
    1. The most important tools are probably v3 code generators (Everest, jEverest, MDHT). A tool like Everest would probably benefit most by a form of 'official recognition' are a 'statement of quality' by HL7, and by a Marketing effort to make it much wider aware that such tools exist. Yes, I'm sure they'd like to receive feedback/review of their tools, and they'll probably take any money we'd care to give them, but in the larger scheme of things 'getting the word out' is probably the key thing towards an increase in adoption of these tools. Tooling could reach out to the creators of such tools, even if the development wasn't part of HL7 or OHT, and form some sort of liason with them.
    2. Another one that we have identified: re-usable data types R1/R2 programming libraries (for validation of data types, to support data type methods such as =, >, != or << -- note: this library is not about serialization/deserialization). The OHT toolsuite has such a library, as has MDHT, the instance editor, Everest, .. and most applications that are serious about supporting v3. Yet all these groups and vendors have had to reinvent a data types library. That is nonsensical. IMHO we'll need to invest some money in creating a re-usable library in c#/Java to support data types R1/R2. One could probably be created by stripping parts from the existing libraries - and adding new stuff.

THU Q3 (13:45-15:00) Crescent Technical med.gif

  1. Administrative agenda items
  2. Code generation based on "green" HL7 v3 models (Robert Worden, Phil Scott, 45 minutes)
    • A bi-product of defining a Green CDA or Green RMIM with the Open Mapping tools is the creation of a simplified class model with precise mappings to a RIM-based model. The simplified class model, expressed in EMF Ecore, can be used for model-based application development, model-based query, or for mapping to other XML dialects to generate transforms. This will be illustrated by examples: Green CDA, Creen C32 with a bridge from MDHT models, Green Lab model.
  3. The architecture of RIM based persistence
    • Review of issues and summary whitepaper


September 12 (Monday Q3)

Workgroup Date/Time Location Chair/Scribe
RIMBAA WG 2011-09-12,
13:45-15:00		 San Diego CA, US Chair/Scribe: Rene Spronk

Attendance

To-do

Minutes

  1. Administrative agenda items (max 30 minutes)
    • Call to order by Rene at 13:55
    • Approval of agenda for the week
      • Approved without changes.
    • Announcements
    • Approval of the minutes of the Orlando WGM (May 2011)
    • Annual (brief) review of the RIMBAA Mission and Charter
      • Reviewed, no changes
    • Annual (brief) review of the RIMBAA SWOT
      • Add to 'weaknesses' - most implementers are not authors, which makes it hard to create whitepapers
      • Duane offers to ask a post-graduate at Mohawk college to assist/author whitepapers.
    • Update of the RIMBAA three year plan and the Creation of a Set of RIMBAA Whitepapers project.
      • 3-year plan: may wish to add the creation of a 'reference implementation'. Add issue to the agenda of our Thursday Q3 meeting
      • Whitepapers: Michael offers to write one on the topic of 'using RIMBAA in clinical research'.
    • Brief update on the Fresh Look activities by Michael van der Zel
      • No relevant activities for RIMBAA, focus is on clinical models and modelling.
  2. Everest: a MIF based code generator for .net (Justin Fyfe, Mohawk College, CA) (max.30 minutes)
    • Everest (see http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/) is a MIF based code/class generator for .net. In 2011 it was announced that the toolkit now offerst support for MIFs published in universal-realm normative editions, and the roadmap envisions a Java version as well.
      • Note: Everest has been presented before during a RIMBAA meeting, see RIMBAA: Marc-HI Everest. The presentation in San Diego will focus on new developments and experiences.
    • Justin will introduce the toolkit, its architecture, and will show how it can be used in a project to enable v3 support in an application. His presentation will include a coding demonstration.
    • He will also show some of the details of the data type library (See his blogposts: Everest 1.0 Data Type Operations, IVL and PIVL) and how one could re-use the data type libraries as contained in Everest / jEverest (for example, see this blogpost: Connect to MGRID using Everest).
    • .net/Java platform. maintain 2 codebasis, no automated translation. use features of the platform.
    • jEverest - Java version of Everest.
    • 'from MIF to code' slide: GPMR general purpose MIf reformatter. COR = OO representation of the model. Run an optimizer,
    • detect re-usable bits in the models.
    • COR renderer into other formats e.g. C#/HTML/Java/JSON
    • Q2 2012 release of Everest 1.0 - jEverest/Everest
  3. Adjourned at 15:15

Meeting Attendance (marked X)

At Name Affiliation Email Address
  Abdul Malik Shakir COH, US ashakir@coh.org
  Adel Ghlamallah CIHI, CA aghlamallah@infoway.ca
  Alan Nicol Informatics, UK alan.nicol@informatics.co.uk
  Alejandro Pica EMA, UK alejandro.pica@ema.europa.eu
  Alexander Henket E-Novation, NL alexander.henket@enovation.nl
  Alex de Jong Siemens, US alex.dejong@siemens.com
  Alex Zupan ItalTBS, IT alex.zupan@italtbs.com
  Ameet Pathak Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, US ameet_pathak@dfci.harvard.edu
  Amnon Shabo IBM, IL shabo@il.ibm.com
  Andrew McIntyre Medical Objects, AU andrew@medical-objects.com.au
  Andy Stechislin GordonPoint, CA andy.stechishin@gmail.com
  Anil Luthra , US aluthra@alfisconsultants.com
  Ann Wrightson NHS Wales, UK ann.wrightson@wales.nhs.uk
  Assaf Halevy DBmotion assaf.halevy@dbmotion.com
  Bill Friggle Sanofi Aventis, US william.friggle@sanofi-aventis.com
  Brian Pech KP, US brian.pech@kp.org
  Bruce McKinnon JassCo, CA bruce.mckinnon@jassco.ca
  Charlie McCay Ramsey, UK charlie@ramseysystems.com
  Chirag Bhatt FEI Systems, US chirag.bhatt@feisystems.com
  Chris Melo Philips, US chris.melo@philips.com
  Chris Winters Vocollect Healthcare Systems, Inc., US cwinters@healthcare.vocollect.com
  Dale Nelson , US dale.nelson@squaretrends.com
  Dan Kokotov 5AM Solutions, US dkokotov@5amsolutions.com
  Dave Barnet NHS, UK david.barnet@nhs.net
  David Rowed Ocean Informatics, AU david.rowed@oceaninformatics.com
  Dave Shaver Corepoint health, US dave.shaver@corepointhealth.com
  Diane Gutiw SAIC, US gutiwd@saic.com
  Duana Bender Mohawk College, CA duane.bender@mohawkcollege.ca
  Ed Larsen Larsen Inc., US e.laresen@ix.netcom.com
  Ernst de Bel UMCN, NL e.debel@ic.umcn.nl
  Ewout Kramer Furore, NL e.kramer@furore.com
  Gavin Morris Kestral, AU gavinm@kestral.com.au
  Geoffry Roberts Blue Thread LLC, US geoffry.roberts@gmail.com
  George de la Torre Tufts Health, US delatorre.george@gmail.com
  Gordon Raup Datuit LLC, US graup@datuit.com
  Grahame Grieve AU grahameg@gmail.com
  Heath Frankel Ocean Informatics, AU heath.frankel@oceaninformatics.com
  Hugh Glover BlueWave Informatics, UK hugh_glover@bluewaveinformatics.co.uk
  Hugh Leslie Ocean Informatics, AU hugh.leslie@oceaninformatics.com
  Ian Bull ACT health, AU ian.bull@act.gov.au
  Ilia Fortunov Microsoft, US iliaf@microsoft.com
  Jane Curry HIS inc, CA JaneCurry@healthinfostrategies.com
  Jean Henri Duteau GPI, CA jean.duteau@gpinformatics.com
  John Finbraaten Marshfield Clinic, US finbraaten.john@marshfieldclinic.org
  John Harvey Iatric, US john.harvey@iatric.com
  John Koisch Guidewire Architecture, CA jkoisch@guidewirearchitecture.com
  John Timm IBM, US johntimm@us.ibm.com
  John Ulmer ??, US johnu@clemson.edu
  Kai Heitmann Heitmann Consulting, DE hl7@kheitmann.de
  Kenneth Salyards SAMSHA, US kenneth.salyards@samsha.hhs.gov
  Kenneth Weng CareFx, US kweng@carefx.com
  Lee Coller Oracle, US lee.coller@oracle.com
  Linda Birn MOH Holdings, SG linda.birn@mohh.com.sg
  Lyssa Neel Infoway, CA pneel@infoway.ca
  Lorraine Constable CA lorraine@constable.ca
  Marilyn Maguire Fuji Med, US marilyn.maguire@fujimed.com
  Mario Roy Iatric, US mario.roy@iatric.com
  Mark Bevivino Iatric, US markb@iatric.com
  Mark Shafarman Shafarman Consulting, US mark.shafarman@earthlink.net
  Mark Tucker Regenstrief, US mtucker@regenstrief.org
  Massimo Frossi Ital TBS, IT massimo.frossi@italtbs.com
  Michael van der Zel Groningen University Hospital,
and Results4Care, NL		 m.van.der.zel@umcg.nl
  Mike Rossman KP, US michael.k.rossman@kp.org
  Muhammad Afzal SEECS, PK muhammad.afzal@seecs.edu.pk
  Nick Radov Axolotl, US nradov@axolotl.com
  Patrick Loyd GPI, CA patrick.c.loyd@gmail.com
  Pascal Mattiocco KP, US pmattiocco@yahoo.com
  Paul Boyes Guidewire Architecture, CA pboyes@guidewirearchitecture.com
  Peter Gummer Ocean Informatics, AU peter.gummer@oceaninformatics.com
  Peter Hendler KP, US peter@hendler.net
  Rene Spronk Ringholm, NL rene.spronk@ringholm.com
  Richard Kronstad Carefacts, UK rkronstad@carefacts.com
  Richard Thoreson SAMSHA-CSAT, US richard.thoreson@samsha.hhs.gov
  Rik Smithies NHS, UK rik@nprogram.co.uk
  Robert Worden Open Mapping Software, UK robert@OpenMapSW.com
  Sam Heard Ocean Informatics, AU sam.heard@oceaninformatics.com
  Sean Muir VA, US sean.muir@va.gov
  Scott Parkey Axolotl, US sparkey@axolotl.com
  Stacy Berger COH sberger@coh.org
  Steven Royce NEHTA, AU stephen.royce@nehta.gov.au
  Steve Fine Cerner, US sfine@cerner.com
  Tessa van Stijn Nictiz, NL stijn@nictiz.nl
  Tim Dodd CA tim.dodd@health.gov.sk.ca
  Tod Ryal Cerner, US tryal@cerner.com
  Todd Parnell 5AM Solutions, US tparnell@5amsolutions.com
  Tony Lam MOH Holdings, SG tony.lam@mohh.com.sg
  Vassil Paytchev Epic, US vassil@epic.com
  Yunwei Wang Siemens, US yunwei.wang@siemens.com
  Zhijing Liu Siemens, US zhijing.liu@siemens.com
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