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Name	Present	With	Affiliation	E-mail address
Curry, Jane	Yes	ArB	Health Information Strategies	janecurry@healthinfostrategies.com
Grieve, Grahame	?	ArB	Kestral Computing	grahame@kestral.com.au
Julian, Tony	?	ArB	Mayo Clinic	ajulian@mayo.edu
Koisch, John	?	ArB	NCI	koisch_john@bah.com
Loyd, Patrick	?	ARB	Gordon point Informatics LTD.	patrick.loyd@gpinformatics.com
Lynch, Cecil	?	ArB	ontoreason LLC	clynch@ontoreason.com
Mead, Charlie	?	ArB	Booz Allen Hamilton	charlie.mead@booz.com
Nelson, Dale	?	Arb	II4SM	dale@zed-logic.com
Ocasio, Wendell	?	ArB	Agilex Technologies	wendell.ocasio@agilex.com
Parker, Ron	?	ArB	CA Infoway	rparker@eastlink.ca
Quinn, John	?	ArB	Health Level Seven, Inc.	jquinn@HL7.org
Shakir, Abdul-Malik	?	ArB	Shakir Consulting	ShakirConsulting@cs.com
Bear, Yogi(template)	?	Guest	US Dept. Interior, Park Service	yogi@jellystonepark.gov

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18:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thursday Q3

• Call to order
• Approval of Agenda for Quarter/Day
• SAEAF and RIMBA Defered to a telcon
• Results of meeting w/Electronic services( Ron Parker)

Ron Parker: SAEAF deserves its own page, not public. There will be a public page which will refer people to ArB. It will be pointed to from other wiki pages.

Jane Curry: Instead of pointing to gforge, there is now under the ArB front page. Tony will harmonize.

Ron Parker: Met with Conformance and answered their questions.

Ron Parker: Met with Electronic services: We will provide the the HTML to be presented to the public, Electronic Services will apply stylesheets.

Ron Parker: Timelines: PIC has peer review document, Ron talked with Helen about tweaking.

Jane Curry: DId we articulate that the next iteration is due 3week before next WGM.

Ron Parker: For next call will provide project plan for our cycles. We have more budget for Karen's work - two working groups meeting for here time. We need persistant tools to manage versions/content.

Jane Curry: We committed to find out from NCI because they are selecting tools presently.

• Revisit Governance Scope

Ron Parker: Talked to Charlie about expectations - 10-11 pages - trying to scope down governance to match current release of ECCF and BF.

Jane Curry: My pushback: There is a significant scoping excercise within the governance of the ECCF. Your interoperability community is usually a multiple-community effort. Some are constrained at the ECCF. They need to be in more than one stack.

Ron Parker: I want that in. It is difficult to discuss scoping without the language. Charlie said ECCF and BF gave us a grammer.

Jane Curry: I dont have to do specification?

Ron Parker: No

Jane Curry: In the implementation HL7 will have to address coherence across domain.

Ron Parker: What is needed to support current level of participation? What would the alphas need to know?

Ann Wrightson: I am concerned that people tend to assume that when you do this you are introducing across organization. We need to make concious effort that it be larger than a single interop community.

Jane Curry: Interoperability community needs to assess where focus is required, as well as the spec stack scope. When you start drawing pictures, on what subject, it depends on the share purpose at the subject level. They may make different choices for another subject.

Ann Wrightson We discussed in ITS this morning. Some people can do this, but we need to provide a method for doing it.

Jane Curry: I disagree with your disagreement. At what point are you drawing what from where? It is not top-down driven.

Ann Wrightson I am concerned about the triangle. People only populating the implementable.

Andy Bond: Not only tech stack is computable: It should be a logical transformation. Governance can cover policy and regulation. This will control layer appropriate for community. They can get interoperability at the conceptual level.

Ann Wrightson SOme of the interoperability has not been document.

Andy Bond: It consists of some things that dont work.

Ron Parker: It is fuzzy thinking. The governance Jane needs to express is to governance in terms of ECCF - identifying shared purpose and shared governance. What is formal expression and grammer thereto. How do you govern WG's is a separate conversation.

Jane Curry: Explain "What is needed to support current level of interest and participating.

Ron Parker: Focus on the participatants. Identify formalisms or artifacts (existing or new) required for this expression. People are struggling on what the tangable things look like.

Jane Curry: I got out of tuesday a big change is the idea of authoritative requirements - who is providing, and what is their authority? From headspace? Never Declared? VS requirements stated/external with know ownership.

Ron Parker: Anything else.

Jane Curry: Interconnecting systems have to have relationships to an organization. The problem is when you cross boundaries?

Jane Curry: there are two levels - i will try not to do six.

Ron Parker: Opportunities to extend.

• Information Framework Sketch

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• Items brought up this meeting
• Adjournment

Thursday Q4

• Call to order
• Approval of Agenda for Quarter
• Schedule for SAEAF document Publishing
• Alpha Facilitation
• Peer Review
• Other business and planning
• Telcon Schedule
• Next WGM meeting schedule (day/quarter)
• Adjournment