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| + | :Fine, Steven (Cerner Corporation) | ||
| + | :Greim MS RN-C, Patricia (U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs) | ||
| + | :Jewell, Gabriele (Cerner Corporation) | ||
| + | :Kramer, Ewout (Furore) | ||
| + | :Liu, Andrew (HL7 Canada) | ||
| + | :Lynch, Cecil (Accenture) | ||
| + | :Moehrke, John (GE Healthcare) | ||
| + | :Pupo, Erik (Deloitte Consulting LLP) | ||
| + | :Ryal, Tod (Cerner Corporation) | ||
| + | :Shaver, Dave (Corepoint Health) | ||
| + | :Smithies, Rik (HL7 UK) | ||
| + | :Walker, D. Mead (Mead Walker Consulting) | ||
| + | :Kavanagh, Richard (NHS England) | ||
| + | :Ott, Russell | ||
| + | :Brancato, Chris | ||
| + | ==Methodology Issues that Came out of QA Assessment of FHIR== | ||
| + | ==Distinction between "Type" and "Code"== | ||
| + | As an attribute name for what is likely to be an encoded result. | ||
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| + | Discussion suggests that: | ||
| + | "code" commonly adds NO understanding; should not repeat name of element in attribute; type works where it is the type of the element; code is not useful; if need further disctinction and expand "type" | ||
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| + | Similarly, "date" as an attribute name will beg the distinction of which kind of "date" (e.g. see V3 Act) is intended. | ||
=Monday May 6 Q3= | =Monday May 6 Q3= | ||
Revision as of 15:29, 6 May 2013
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Contents
Sunday May 5 Q3
Agenda
- Hot topic triage
- Agenda planning
Attendees
- Beeler Jr, George (Woody) (Beeler Consulting LLC)
- Grieve, Grahame (Health Intersections Pty Ltd)
- Hay, David (HL7 New Zealand)
- Kramer, Ewout (Furore)
- Loyd, Patrick (ICode Solutions)
- McKenzie, Lloyd (HL7 Canada)
- Shakir, AbdulMalik (City of Hope National Medical Center)
- Stechishin, Andy (CANA Software & Services Ltd.)
- Walker, D. Mead (Mead Walker Consulting)
Hot topics
1. RIM ballot reconciliation - Fixed values for collections of repeating attributes - What's the RIM default - How do we make it work in the schema generator
2. Lloyd will close the "social media" hot topic
3. Discussed "Model to Template Relationship", but no need to bring it up as a hot topic
4. Data types vocabulary schemas - what are we allowed to do within the framework of the ISO spec
5. FHIR RIM mappings - What will RIM mapping look like? - What do we do when the RIM can't do it? - What will it achieve?
Will tackle #1 and #4 in this meeting, #5 slotted for joint FHIR/MnM discussion For Wed Q3, will host FHIR (will release room 219)
Release rooms for Tue Q1, Tue Q4
Move SAIF Artifact Definition Project from Tuesday Q4 to Thursday Q2
Motion: approve agenda for WGM - Woody/Patrick
RIM ballot reconciliation
1. Dale's 2 comments - not persuasive 7-0-1 (Woody/Grahame) 2. blocked context conduction relationships:
- will create value sets containing conductable act relationship codes
- can create a new value set that constrains the base value sets as per the rules in Core principles
- can create a fixed value that is a "list of codes" that draws from the codes in the value set
- need to verify this will propagate properly through the tools to the schemas
- will document this in Core principles
Motion: Woody/Grahame 5-0-0
Woody takes action item to update Core Principles
Based on the above, Woody withdraws his negatives
Data type vocabulary schemes
Monday May 6 Q1
Agenda
Chair - Beeler & Grieve
- FHIR Methodology
Attendees
- Abrahao, Marivan (HL7 Brazil)
- Beeler Jr, George (Woody) (Beeler Consulting LLC)
- Cabrita, Rolim (Interfaceware)
- Duteau, Jean (Duteau Design Inc)
- Fine, Steven (Cerner Corporation)
- Glinski, Steve (Surescripts)
- Grieve, Grahame (Health Intersections Pty Ltd)
- Henderson, Mike (Eastern Informatics, Inc.)
- Jewell, Gabriele (Cerner Corporation)
- Konishi, Yukinori (HL7 Japan)
- Liu, Andrew (HL7 Canada)
- Lynch, Cecil (Accenture)
- Moehrke, John (GE Healthcare)
- Parker, Ron (HL7 Canada)
- Ryal, Tod (Cerner Corporation)
- Shaver, Dave (Corepoint Health)
- Smithies, Rik (HL7 UK)
- Takasaka, Sadamu (HL7 Japan)
- Walker, D. Mead (Mead Walker Consulting)
- Wong, Nat (HL7 Australia)
- Worden, Robert (Open Mapping Software)
- Kavanagh, Richard (NHS England)
- Walia, Randeep (Grafight Scratch, Inc.)
- Murty, Kurella (Roche)
Topic: must-understand
Discussion of mustUnderstand - Motion from G Grieve/Rik Smithies to "Rename must-Understand to is-Modifier, and add sentence saying that you must explain why it is that you think it is a modifier and/or what it modifies."
Approved 25-0-0
Topic: Various
Discussions around "messaging-like" paradigm with FHUR similar to V2, can be defined and has been tested.
Discussions on "Profile" resource and what is does. Is rather larger than desired. Was noted that although it is defined as a Resource, it is unlikely to be exchanged as instances.
Security and FHIR
There is a Wiki document in the "FHIR Publication" that is being built with the guidance of Security Work Group lists security-related issues when using FHIR, and how and where these might be addressed.
Monday May 6 Q2
Ewout Kramer and Woody Beeler for FHIR and MnM
Agenda
- Host FHIR
- FHIR Methodology
Attendees
- Beeler Jr, George (Woody) (Beeler Consulting LLC)
- Cheung, James (Kaiser Permanente)
- Fine, Steven (Cerner Corporation)
- Greim MS RN-C, Patricia (U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs)
- Jewell, Gabriele (Cerner Corporation)
- Kramer, Ewout (Furore)
- Liu, Andrew (HL7 Canada)
- Lynch, Cecil (Accenture)
- Moehrke, John (GE Healthcare)
- Pupo, Erik (Deloitte Consulting LLP)
- Ryal, Tod (Cerner Corporation)
- Shaver, Dave (Corepoint Health)
- Smithies, Rik (HL7 UK)
- Walker, D. Mead (Mead Walker Consulting)
- Kavanagh, Richard (NHS England)
- Ott, Russell
- Brancato, Chris
Methodology Issues that Came out of QA Assessment of FHIR
Distinction between "Type" and "Code"
As an attribute name for what is likely to be an encoded result.
Discussion suggests that: "code" commonly adds NO understanding; should not repeat name of element in attribute; type works where it is the type of the element; code is not useful; if need further disctinction and expand "type"
Similarly, "date" as an attribute name will beg the distinction of which kind of "date" (e.g. see V3 Act) is intended.
Monday May 6 Q3
Agenda
- Joint w/FHIR, ITS
- FHIR Infrastructure issues
Attendees
Topic 1
Monday May 6 Q4
Agenda
- Joint w/FHIR, ITS
- FHIR Infrastructure issues
Attendees
Topic 1
Tuesday May 7 Q2
Agenda
- "Ask MnM"
Attendees
Topic 1
Tuesday May 7 Q3
Joint w/ Structure Documents (refer to their minutes)
Wednesday May 8 Q1
Agenda
- Host Vocab
- ???
Attendees
Topic 1
Wednesday May 8 Q2
Agenda
- Host Vocab, FHIR
- FHIR Vocabulary
Attendees
Topic 1
Wednesday May 8 Q3
Agenda
- Host FHIR
- FHIR Core
Attendees
Topic 1
Thursday May 9 Q1
Agenda
- FHIR Methodology
Attendees
Topic 1
Thursday May 9 Q2
Agenda
- SAIF Artifact Definition
Attendees
Topic 1
Thursday May 9 Q5-Q6
Agenda
- MnM Roundtable
Attendees
Topic 1
Thursday May 9 Q2
Agenda
- SAIF Artifact Definition
Attendees
Topic 1
Friday May 10 Q2
Agenda
- Meeting planning
