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THU Q2 (11:00-12:30) Tooling WG [room: Clarendon]
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| + | |X||Duana Bender||Mohawk College, CA||duane.bender@mohawkcollege.ca | ||
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#Administrative agenda items (max 30 minutes) | #Administrative agenda items (max 30 minutes) | ||
Revision as of 23:44, 12 September 2011
This is the RIMBAA WG agenda of the WGM in San Diego, September 2011
Contents
WED Q6 (19:00-21:00) Royal Palm Salon 1 
- Administrative agenda items
- OpenCDS - implementation aspects of a clinical decision support application based on the HL7 vMR standard (Ken Kawamoto, co-chair CDS WG, University of Utah) (max. 30 minutes)
- (Kawamoto) A brief introduction to OpenCDS and how it is using the proposed vMR standard (basically a simplified view of the RIM for CDS)
- (Andrew McIntyre) demo of the Gello authoring tool and how it can read v3 messages and a vmr defined by the grammar that is being balloted. The relationship with Query Expression and Execution Technology will be discussed as well.
- As a reference, the standard slide set for OpenCDS is available as the top link in the References section of www.opencds.org.
- Resources For Health: A Fresh Look Proposal (Grahame Grieve, max 60 minutes).
- RFH in essence proposes a RESTful protocol in conjunction with XML-based Resources (which in RIMBAA align neatly with our concept of SMIRFs). The XML has a predefined structure, elements are linked to a RIM-based data dictionary. This is basically the same thought as the Micro ITS. I called his approach "HL7 v3 taken to the next step" - it combines some recent best practices in implementing v3 with a number of internet/open standards.
- In the lead up to the announcement to RFH Grahame's posted a series of comments on HL7 version 3, for example HL7 needs a fresh look because V3 has failed and HL7 needs a fresh look because V3 has succeeded - which each generated a fair number of comments. His earlier blogpost Context of Interoperability (and notably the concept of Drive By Interoperability) reads like the rationale for some of the key design decisions in RFH.
- The original announcement of RFH (with comments) can be found here, RFH itself is documented at http://www.healthintersections.com.au/rfh/introduction.htm
- Grahame will discuss implementation aspects of RFH, as well as the relationship between a Resource and a SMIRF, issues around aggregation of resources and the querying of sets of resources.
- RFH in essence proposes a RESTful protocol in conjunction with XML-based Resources (which in RIMBAA align neatly with our concept of SMIRFs). The XML has a predefined structure, elements are linked to a RIM-based data dictionary. This is basically the same thought as the Micro ITS. I called his approach "HL7 v3 taken to the next step" - it combines some recent best practices in implementing v3 with a number of internet/open standards.
THU Q2 (11:00-12:30) Tooling WG [room: Clarendon]
- Note: this is a meeting of the Tooling WG, RIMBAA representatives have been requested to attend. See Tooling agenda for this WGM.
- Topic up for discussion: Tooling Tactical Plan, Formalize liaisons to other WG.
- The tactical plan will be changed to (at the request of the board) include tools for software implementers [of standards], whereas the focus up to now has been on tools for standards development.
- The most important tools are probably v3 code generators (Everest, jEverest, MDHT). A tool like Everest would probably benefit most by a form of 'official recognition' are a 'statement of quality' by HL7, and by a Marketing effort to make it much wider aware that such tools exist. Yes, I'm sure they'd like to receive feedback/review of their tools, and they'll probably take any money we'd care to give them, but in the larger scheme of things 'getting the word out' is probably the key thing towards an increase in adoption of these tools. Tooling could reach out to the creators of such tools, even if the development wasn't part of HL7 or OHT, and form some sort of liason with them.
- Another one that we have identified: re-usable data types R1/R2 programming libraries (for validation of data types, to support data type methods such as =, >, != or << -- note: this library is not about serialization/deserialization). The OHT toolsuite has such a library, as has MDHT, the instance editor, Everest, .. and most applications that are serious about supporting v3. Yet all these groups and vendors have had to reinvent a data types library. That is nonsensical. IMHO we'll need to invest some money in creating a re-usable library in c#/Java to support data types R1/R2. One could probably be created by stripping parts from the existing libraries - and adding new stuff.
THU Q3 (13:45-15:00) Crescent
- Administrative agenda items
- Code generation based on "green" HL7 v3 models (Robert Worden, Phil Scott, 45 minutes)
- A bi-product of defining a Green CDA or Green RMIM with the Open Mapping tools is the creation of a simplified class model with precise mappings to a RIM-based model. The simplified class model, expressed in EMF Ecore, can be used for model-based application development, model-based query, or for mapping to other XML dialects to generate transforms. This will be illustrated by examples: Green CDA, Creen C32 with a bridge from MDHT models, Green Lab model.
- The architecture of RIM based persistence
- Review of issues and summary whitepaper
September 12 (Monday Q3)
| Workgroup | Date/Time | Location | Chair/Scribe |
|---|---|---|---|
| RIMBAA WG | 2011-09-12, 13:45-15:00 |
San Diego CA, US | Chair/Scribe: Rene Spronk |
Attendance
| At | Name | Affiliation | Email Address |
|---|---|---|---|
| X | Amnon Shabo | IBM, IL | shabo@il.ibm.com |
| X | Bill Friggle | Sanofi Aventis, US | william.friggle@sanofi-aventis.com |
| X | Duana Bender | Mohawk College, CA | duane.bender@mohawkcollege.ca |
| X | Ewout Kramer | Furore, NL | e.kramer@furore.com |
| X | Gordon Raup | Datuit LLC, US | graup@datuit.com |
| X | Justin Fyfe | Mohawk College, CA | justin.fyfe1@mohawkcollege.ca |
| X | Madan Gopal | Arizona dept. of Health Services, US | madan.gopal@azdhs.gov |
| X | Michael van der Zel | Groningen University Hospital, and Results4Care, NL |
m.van.der.zel@umcg.nl |
| X | Peter Hendler | KP, US | peter@hendler.net |
| X | Rene Spronk | Ringholm, NL | rene.spronk@ringholm.com |
Minutes
- Administrative agenda items (max 30 minutes)
- Call to order by Rene at 13:55
- Approval of agenda for the week
- Approved without changes.
- Announcements
- Approval of the minutes of the Orlando WGM (May 2011)
- MOTION to approve the minutes of the RIMBAA meeting in Orlando, as available on the HL7 website (http://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/java/minutes/RIMBAA_May2011_Minutes_Orlando.zip). Peter/Michael, 9-0-1 (Y-N-Abst)
- Annual (brief) review of the RIMBAA Mission and Charter
- Reviewed, no changes
- Annual (brief) review of the RIMBAA SWOT
- Add to 'weaknesses' - most implementers are not authors, which makes it hard to create whitepapers
- Duane offers to ask a post-graduate at Mohawk college to assist/author whitepapers.
- Update of the RIMBAA three year plan and the Creation of a Set of RIMBAA Whitepapers project.
- 3-year plan: may wish to add the creation of a 'reference implementation'. Add issue to the agenda of our Thursday Q3 meeting
- Whitepapers: Michael offers to write one on the topic of 'using RIMBAA in clinical research'.
- Brief update on the Fresh Look activities by Michael van der Zel
- No relevant activities for RIMBAA, focus is on clinical models and modelling.
- Everest: a MIF based code generator for .net (Justin Fyfe, Mohawk College, CA) (max.30 minutes)
- Everest (see http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/) is a MIF based code/class generator for .net. In 2011 it was announced that the toolkit now offerst support for MIFs published in universal-realm normative editions, and the roadmap envisions a Java version as well.
- Note: Everest has been presented before during a RIMBAA meeting, see RIMBAA: Marc-HI Everest. The presentation in San Diego will focus on new developments and experiences.
- Justin will introduce the toolkit, its architecture, and will show how it can be used in a project to enable v3 support in an application. His presentation will include a coding demonstration.
- He will also show some of the details of the data type library (See his blogposts: Everest 1.0 Data Type Operations, IVL and PIVL) and how one could re-use the data type libraries as contained in Everest / jEverest (for example, see this blogpost: Connect to MGRID using Everest).
- .net/Java platform. maintain 2 codebasis, no automated translation. use features of the platform.
- jEverest - Java version of Everest.
- 'from MIF to code' slide: GPMR general purpose MIf reformatter. COR = OO representation of the model. Run an optimizer,
- detect re-usable bits in the models.
- COR renderer into other formats e.g. C#/HTML/Java/JSON
- Q2 2012 release of Everest 1.0 - jEverest/Everest
- Everest (see http://blog.marc-hi.ca/blog/) is a MIF based code/class generator for .net. In 2011 it was announced that the toolkit now offerst support for MIFs published in universal-realm normative editions, and the roadmap envisions a Java version as well.
- Adjourned at 15:15
Meeting Attendance (marked X)
| At | Name | Affiliation | Email Address |
|---|---|---|---|
| Abdul Malik Shakir | COH, US | ashakir@coh.org | |
| Adel Ghlamallah | CIHI, CA | aghlamallah@infoway.ca | |
| Alan Nicol | Informatics, UK | alan.nicol@informatics.co.uk | |
| Alejandro Pica | EMA, UK | alejandro.pica@ema.europa.eu | |
| Alexander Henket | E-Novation, NL | alexander.henket@enovation.nl | |
| Alex de Jong | Siemens, US | alex.dejong@siemens.com | |
| Alex Zupan | ItalTBS, IT | alex.zupan@italtbs.com | |
| Ameet Pathak | Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, US | ameet_pathak@dfci.harvard.edu | |
| Amnon Shabo | IBM, IL | shabo@il.ibm.com | |
| Andrew McIntyre | Medical Objects, AU | andrew@medical-objects.com.au | |
| Andy Stechislin | GordonPoint, CA | andy.stechishin@gmail.com | |
| Anil Luthra | , US | aluthra@alfisconsultants.com | |
| Ann Wrightson | NHS Wales, UK | ann.wrightson@wales.nhs.uk | |
| Assaf Halevy | DBmotion | assaf.halevy@dbmotion.com | |
| Bill Friggle | Sanofi Aventis, US | william.friggle@sanofi-aventis.com | |
| Brian Pech | KP, US | brian.pech@kp.org | |
| Bruce McKinnon | JassCo, CA | bruce.mckinnon@jassco.ca | |
| Charlie McCay | Ramsey, UK | charlie@ramseysystems.com | |
| Chirag Bhatt | FEI Systems, US | chirag.bhatt@feisystems.com | |
| Chris Melo | Philips, US | chris.melo@philips.com | |
| Chris Winters | Vocollect Healthcare Systems, Inc., US | cwinters@healthcare.vocollect.com | |
| Dale Nelson | , US | dale.nelson@squaretrends.com | |
| Dan Kokotov | 5AM Solutions, US | dkokotov@5amsolutions.com | |
| Dave Barnet | NHS, UK | david.barnet@nhs.net | |
| David Rowed | Ocean Informatics, AU | david.rowed@oceaninformatics.com | |
| Dave Shaver | Corepoint health, US | dave.shaver@corepointhealth.com | |
| Diane Gutiw | SAIC, US | gutiwd@saic.com | |
| Duana Bender | Mohawk College, CA | duane.bender@mohawkcollege.ca | |
| Ed Larsen | Larsen Inc., US | e.laresen@ix.netcom.com | |
| Ernst de Bel | UMCN, NL | e.debel@ic.umcn.nl | |
| Ewout Kramer | Furore, NL | e.kramer@furore.com | |
| Gavin Morris | Kestral, AU | gavinm@kestral.com.au | |
| Geoffry Roberts | Blue Thread LLC, US | geoffry.roberts@gmail.com | |
| George de la Torre | Tufts Health, US | delatorre.george@gmail.com | |
| Gordon Raup | Datuit LLC, US | graup@datuit.com | |
| Grahame Grieve | AU | grahameg@gmail.com | |
| Heath Frankel | Ocean Informatics, AU | heath.frankel@oceaninformatics.com | |
| Hugh Glover | BlueWave Informatics, UK | hugh_glover@bluewaveinformatics.co.uk | |
| Hugh Leslie | Ocean Informatics, AU | hugh.leslie@oceaninformatics.com | |
| Ian Bull | ACT health, AU | ian.bull@act.gov.au | |
| Ilia Fortunov | Microsoft, US | iliaf@microsoft.com | |
| Jane Curry | HIS inc, CA | JaneCurry@healthinfostrategies.com | |
| Jean Henri Duteau | GPI, CA | jean.duteau@gpinformatics.com | |
| John Finbraaten | Marshfield Clinic, US | finbraaten.john@marshfieldclinic.org | |
| John Harvey | Iatric, US | john.harvey@iatric.com | |
| John Koisch | Guidewire Architecture, CA | jkoisch@guidewirearchitecture.com | |
| John Timm | IBM, US | johntimm@us.ibm.com | |
| John Ulmer | ??, US | johnu@clemson.edu | |
| Justin Fyfe | Mohawk College, CA | justin.fyfe1@mohawkcollege.ca | |
| Kai Heitmann | Heitmann Consulting, DE | hl7@kheitmann.de | |
| Kenneth Salyards | SAMSHA, US | kenneth.salyards@samsha.hhs.gov | |
| Kenneth Weng | CareFx, US | kweng@carefx.com | |
| Lee Coller | Oracle, US | lee.coller@oracle.com | |
| Linda Birn | MOH Holdings, SG | linda.birn@mohh.com.sg | |
| Lyssa Neel | Infoway, CA | pneel@infoway.ca | |
| Lorraine Constable | CA | lorraine@constable.ca | |
| Madan Gopal | Arizona dept. of Health Services, US | madan.gopal@azdhs.gov | |
| Marilyn Maguire | Fuji Med, US | marilyn.maguire@fujimed.com | |
| Mario Roy | Iatric, US | mario.roy@iatric.com | |
| Mark Bevivino | Iatric, US | markb@iatric.com | |
| Mark Shafarman | Shafarman Consulting, US | mark.shafarman@earthlink.net | |
| Mark Tucker | Regenstrief, US | mtucker@regenstrief.org | |
| Massimo Frossi | Ital TBS, IT | massimo.frossi@italtbs.com | |
| Michael van der Zel | Groningen University Hospital, and Results4Care, NL |
m.van.der.zel@umcg.nl | |
| Mike Rossman | KP, US | michael.k.rossman@kp.org | |
| Muhammad Afzal | SEECS, PK | muhammad.afzal@seecs.edu.pk | |
| Nick Radov | Axolotl, US | nradov@axolotl.com | |
| Patrick Loyd | GPI, CA | patrick.c.loyd@gmail.com | |
| Pascal Mattiocco | KP, US | pmattiocco@yahoo.com | |
| Paul Boyes | Guidewire Architecture, CA | pboyes@guidewirearchitecture.com | |
| Peter Gummer | Ocean Informatics, AU | peter.gummer@oceaninformatics.com | |
| Peter Hendler | KP, US | peter@hendler.net | |
| Rene Spronk | Ringholm, NL | rene.spronk@ringholm.com | |
| Richard Kronstad | Carefacts, UK | rkronstad@carefacts.com | |
| Richard Thoreson | SAMSHA-CSAT, US | richard.thoreson@samsha.hhs.gov | |
| Rik Smithies | NHS, UK | rik@nprogram.co.uk | |
| Robert Worden | Open Mapping Software, UK | robert@OpenMapSW.com | |
| Sam Heard | Ocean Informatics, AU | sam.heard@oceaninformatics.com | |
| Sean Muir | VA, US | sean.muir@va.gov | |
| Scott Parkey | Axolotl, US | sparkey@axolotl.com | |
| Stacy Berger | COH | sberger@coh.org | |
| Steven Royce | NEHTA, AU | stephen.royce@nehta.gov.au | |
| Steve Fine | Cerner, US | sfine@cerner.com | |
| Tessa van Stijn | Nictiz, NL | stijn@nictiz.nl | |
| Tim Dodd | CA | tim.dodd@health.gov.sk.ca | |
| Tod Ryal | Cerner, US | tryal@cerner.com | |
| Todd Parnell | 5AM Solutions, US | tparnell@5amsolutions.com | |
| Tony Lam | MOH Holdings, SG | tony.lam@mohh.com.sg | |
| Vassil Paytchev | Epic, US | vassil@epic.com | |
| Yunwei Wang | Siemens, US | yunwei.wang@siemens.com | |
| Zhijing Liu | Siemens, US | zhijing.liu@siemens.com |
