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==Topics==
 
==Topics==
 
* Jay has written a suggestion to explain the difference between a problem concern and a health concern.  
 
* Jay has written a suggestion to explain the difference between a problem concern and a health concern.  
* This suggestion was sent to the patient care list.
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* This suggestion was sent earlier on the 15th to the patient care list.
 
* In general readers felt, that a problem concern and consequently also the problem list were the tools with which care providers would work, while health concern and a concern list would be the topic under which patient concerns would reside.  
 
* In general readers felt, that a problem concern and consequently also the problem list were the tools with which care providers would work, while health concern and a concern list would be the topic under which patient concerns would reside.  
 
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* The first part of this statement might be true, but health concern are not the exclusive ownership of patients for patient's concern. Any person including care providers could make use of health concerns. Problem concerns could be a subset of a health concern, that would have a longer span and could connect evolving problems together.  
* The chapters 4, 5 and 6 were thoroughly revised and shortened.
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* This is true about the conceptual model of a health concern, but David Tao has an issue with the implementation in MU3, where straightforward specifications are required for IT vendors. They need consistent guidance to know in which sections to put the care providers concern and the patient's concern.
* Goals are part of the Care Plan scope. That is why you will not find it in the Health Concern DAM. In the diagram they are depicted in the black box of Care plan.
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* Michael points out that it is important to recognize that there are 2 steps in working with concerns.
* The following actions are still outstanding:
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* The first step is the registration of concern events. A concern author/ custodian identifies a concern. (I.e. "I want to collect information under the grouping of Diabetes") and selects which elements ( called health concen events in the DAM) are relevant for this health concern.
** Review the use case scenario's:
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* The second step is to produce output, such as a CCDA for transition of care. This could be a half automated step in which filtering could take place. The first step is the key of how step 2 will work.
*** Remove redundant scenario's
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* Filtering could take place depending on protocols or agreements between specialism's. An ophtamologist requires a different set of information than a dietitian. Filtering could depend on the type of receiver.
*** Patient journey scenario should reflect the patient's  perspective.
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* For this purpose it could be necessary to identify the type of information on the concern or concern event.
*** Better example of a storyboard with the patient's concern.
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* The author/ custodian of the health concern is also an indication of the source of the concern. It could be the patient, or it could be the cardiologist and with this method you can identify which elements are relevant for the type of receiver.
** Update the comparison in the appendix between (newer versions of ) DAM, CCDA and Contsys.
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* The alternative to a push mechanism, where you send a TOC document,  would be a pull mechanism where the receiver would ask for information which he considers relevant for treatment of that specific patient. This scenario is not yet common, although we do see more queries in different programs.
* Dan is anxious to know how health concerns will work from the patient's perspective.
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* Jay and David Tao will attend the Thursday conference call of SDWG.  
* There are different roles attached to a health concern. The DAM does not make a distinction in the background of the author. This could be a patient or relatives of the patient ( example of anorexia case).
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* In chapter 5 of the DAM we describe the various actors and roles in the DAM. This is not yet consistent. Sometimes we use the term concern expresser which is not explained anywhere
* The DAM itself is agnostic of systems. Currently most enviroments can only deal with concerns within one system.
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* Perhaps we should also simplify and group certain actors together. There is a lot in common in the privileges of an author and a custodian. Perhaps these two roles should be combined to 1 role and expand the tasks of that role.  
* A list is a presentation ( or appearance) of grouped information. Problem lists or allergy lists are some (of the most common examples)  of output. It is not the problem concern or health concern itself.
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* It is essential to recognize that there is a distinction between a concern custodian who has responsibilities to select problems and events that are relevant for a concern and a list owner, who produces a tailored list making use of the concern from the custodian. The term tailored must be interpreted as tailored to an individual, team or profession depending on the rules of the system. The list owner does not even need to be a person. It would be a configuration setting that would produce a fixed set of output depending on the type of concern events for example for a primary care provider.
* The structure of a problem concern is identical to the health concern. A health concern could be nested and have subconcerns. That is the reason why you do not see the problem concern as a seperate data element in the diagram.
 
* MU3 does need rules of how to build your sections and subsections and how to use the templates. These are guidelines for implementation, that will set restrictions to the nesting and grouping of health concerns and problem concerns.
 
* PCWG will remain responsible for the functional requirements of Health Concern. SDWG will focus on the technical requirements of Health Concern in structured docs.
 
 
 
 
 
The document can be found here: [[File:Current_DAM.docx]]
 
  
 
== Action items==
 
== Action items==

Latest revision as of 14:34, 16 December 2015

Health Concern Topic

Patient Care WG

December 15 2015

Attendees:

  • Michael Tan – Chair
  • David Pyke
  • David Tao
  • Jay Lyle
  • Emma Jones
  • Dan Russler
  • Darell Woelk
  • Laura Heermann Langford


Participation Information Phone Number: +1 770-657-9270 Participant Passcode: 943377

Web Meeting Info www.webex.com Meeting number 249 522 346

Minutes previous meeting

  • There were no comments about the minutes of the previous meeting.
  • Motion to approve: David, second: Jay. Vote: 7 in favor, 0 abstain, 0 against.

Topics

  • Jay has written a suggestion to explain the difference between a problem concern and a health concern.
  • This suggestion was sent earlier on the 15th to the patient care list.
  • In general readers felt, that a problem concern and consequently also the problem list were the tools with which care providers would work, while health concern and a concern list would be the topic under which patient concerns would reside.
  • The first part of this statement might be true, but health concern are not the exclusive ownership of patients for patient's concern. Any person including care providers could make use of health concerns. Problem concerns could be a subset of a health concern, that would have a longer span and could connect evolving problems together.
  • This is true about the conceptual model of a health concern, but David Tao has an issue with the implementation in MU3, where straightforward specifications are required for IT vendors. They need consistent guidance to know in which sections to put the care providers concern and the patient's concern.
  • Michael points out that it is important to recognize that there are 2 steps in working with concerns.
  • The first step is the registration of concern events. A concern author/ custodian identifies a concern. (I.e. "I want to collect information under the grouping of Diabetes") and selects which elements ( called health concen events in the DAM) are relevant for this health concern.
  • The second step is to produce output, such as a CCDA for transition of care. This could be a half automated step in which filtering could take place. The first step is the key of how step 2 will work.
  • Filtering could take place depending on protocols or agreements between specialism's. An ophtamologist requires a different set of information than a dietitian. Filtering could depend on the type of receiver.
  • For this purpose it could be necessary to identify the type of information on the concern or concern event.
  • The author/ custodian of the health concern is also an indication of the source of the concern. It could be the patient, or it could be the cardiologist and with this method you can identify which elements are relevant for the type of receiver.
  • The alternative to a push mechanism, where you send a TOC document, would be a pull mechanism where the receiver would ask for information which he considers relevant for treatment of that specific patient. This scenario is not yet common, although we do see more queries in different programs.
  • Jay and David Tao will attend the Thursday conference call of SDWG.
  • In chapter 5 of the DAM we describe the various actors and roles in the DAM. This is not yet consistent. Sometimes we use the term concern expresser which is not explained anywhere
  • Perhaps we should also simplify and group certain actors together. There is a lot in common in the privileges of an author and a custodian. Perhaps these two roles should be combined to 1 role and expand the tasks of that role.
  • It is essential to recognize that there is a distinction between a concern custodian who has responsibilities to select problems and events that are relevant for a concern and a list owner, who produces a tailored list making use of the concern from the custodian. The term tailored must be interpreted as tailored to an individual, team or profession depending on the rules of the system. The list owner does not even need to be a person. It would be a configuration setting that would produce a fixed set of output depending on the type of concern events for example for a primary care provider.

Action items

  • Jay will function as a liaison between PCWG and SDWG for harmonization of Health Concerns between these groups.


Go back to health concern minutes[[1]]