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| width="0%" colspan="2" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''HL7 TSC FMG Meeting Minutes''' <br/>
 
| width="0%" colspan="2" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''HL7 TSC FMG Meeting Minutes''' <br/>
 
'''Location: <br>https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/279790597''' <br/>(voice and screen)
 
'''Location: <br>https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/279790597''' <br/>(voice and screen)
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| width="0%" colspan="1" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Date: 2014-mm-dd '''<br/> '''Time: 1:00 PM U.S. Eastern'''
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| width="0%" colspan="1" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Date: 2014-06-18 '''<br/> '''Time: 1:00 PM U.S. Eastern'''
 
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| width="0%" colspan="2" align="right"|'''Chair''':  
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| width="0%" colspan="2" align="right"|'''Chair''': Lloyd
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| width="0%" colspan="1" align="right"|'''Note taker(s)''':   
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| width="0%" colspan="1" align="right"|'''Note taker(s)''':  David
 
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|colspan="4" align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"| '''yes/no'''
 
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| Co chairs|| ||David Hay || ||Lloyd McKenzie
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| Co chairs||x ||David Hay ||x ||Lloyd McKenzie
 
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| ex-officio|| ||Woody Beeler,<br/> Dave Shaver <br/>FGB Co-chairs||.||John Quinn, CTO
 
| ex-officio|| ||Woody Beeler,<br/> Dave Shaver <br/>FGB Co-chairs||.||John Quinn, CTO
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| colspan="2"| Members ||colspan="2"|Members||colspan="2"|Members ||colspan="2"|Observers/Guests
 
| colspan="2"| Members ||colspan="2"|Members||colspan="2"|Members ||colspan="2"|Observers/Guests
 
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|-
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| || Hans Buitendijk|| || Hugh Glover || ||Paul Knapp || || Lynn Laakso, scribe
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| || Hans Buitendijk||x || Hugh Glover || x||Paul Knapp || regrets|| Lynn Laakso
 
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|-
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| ||Josh Mandel  || ||John Moehrke|| ||Brian Pech || ||
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| ||Josh Mandel  || ||John Moehrke|| ||Brian Pech || || Austin Kreisler
 
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| ||  || || || || ||x||Andy Stechishin
 
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*Roll Call
 
*Roll Call
 
*Agenda Check
 
*Agenda Check
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*Minutes from [[2014mmdd_FMG_concall]]  
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*Minutes from [[20140611_FMG_concall]]  
 
*Administrative
 
*Administrative
 
** Action items
 
** Action items
−
***
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***Andy will take a look at the security fix on the objective C reference implementation (Lloyd)
 +
***David will check with those that supplied the javascript code as well as with the server side javascript problems in the DSTU build to ensure it has the security fix.
 +
***Ewout will document the offer from Furore to host the FHIR registry (Lloyd)
 +
***[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fgovernance%2FFMG%2FFHIR%2520DSTU%2520PSS.doc&revision=2553 PSS for DSTU2](Lloyd)
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***Liaison responsibility review/ transfer from Lorraine (Hans)
 +
***check that RP’s for current proposal have correct owner and approve as block. (David)
 +
***Policy statement on pre-DSTU draft for comment ballot rounds for development materials (Lloyd)
 +
<!--    -->
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*Combined project review for FHIR-CCDA (Austin)
 +
*SDC PSS updates requested (Paul/Lloyd)
 +
<!--    -->
 +
*Project reviews deferred from last week
 +
**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fprojects%2F2014SEP_PSS_CQI_FHIR2.doc&revision=2555 CQI FHIR] update
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**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/3278/12005/%48%4c%37%46%48%49%52%2d%50%53%53%5f%48%43%44%2d%44%65%76%69%63%65%41%6c%61%72%6d%5f%61%6e%64%5f%43%6f%6e%74%72%6f%6c%5f%32%30%31%34%2d%30%34%2d%33%30%5f%48%43%44%57%47%2d%64%72%61%66%74%5f%76%30%37%2e%64%6f%63 Project Approval request] of ''Health Care Devices to Develop FHIR resources and profiles for the second DSTU release'' for Health Care Devices WG of DESD at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=1103 Project Insight # 1103] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=3278&start=0 TSC Tracker #3278]
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**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fprojects%2F2014May_PSS_PatientAdmin_deLeon_FHIRResourcesforPA.doc&revision=2502&pathrev=2502 PA FHIR Resources DSTU2] Project Scope Statement at Project Insight #1102 -
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**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/3305/12034/%4f%4f%20%46%48%49%52%20%52%65%73%75%6c%74%73%20%50%72%6f%66%69%6c%65%20%50%53%53%2e%64%6f%63 OO FHIR Results Profile] PSS for OO of SSD SD cosponsored by PHER of DESD at Project Insight #1113]
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**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/3344/12072/%4f%4f%20%46%48%49%52%20%4c%61%62%20%4f%72%64%65%72%73%20%50%53%53%2e%64%6f%63 OO FHIR Lab Orders] PSS at Project Insight #1067
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**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/3345/12073/%4f%4f%20%46%48%49%52%20%44%53%54%55%20%4d%61%69%6e%74%65%6e%61%6e%63%65%20%50%53%53%20%32%30%31%34%30%35%32%33%2e%64%6f%63 OO FHIR DSTU Maintenance] PSS at Project Insight # 1115
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**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/3343/12071/%49%6d%61%67%69%6e%67%20%46%48%49%52%20%52%65%73%6f%75%72%63%65%73%20%50%53%53%20%32%30%31%34%30%35%32%33%2e%64%6f%63 Imaging FHIR Resources] PSS at Project Insight # 1107
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*Reports
 
*Reports
 
**Connectathon management (David/Brian)
 
**Connectathon management (David/Brian)
 
**[[FHIR Governance Board|FGB]] –  
 
**[[FHIR Governance Board|FGB]] –  
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*** Provide input/feedback on [[Fundamental Principles of FHIR]]
 
**MnM –  
 
**MnM –  
 
**[[FMG Liaisons]] –
 
**[[FMG Liaisons]] –
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*Precepts
 
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*Process management
 
*Process management
 
**Ballot Planning
 
**Ballot Planning
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**FHIR Design patterns - see [[FHIR Design Patterns]] -->
 
 
**Ballot content review and QA process [[FHIR QA Guidelines]]
 
**Ballot content review and QA process [[FHIR QA Guidelines]]
 
*AOB (Any Other Business)
 
*AOB (Any Other Business)
  
 
==Minutes==
 
==Minutes==
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Present
 +
Lloyd McKenzie (LM)
 +
Paul knapp (PK)
 +
Andy Stechishin (AS)
 +
Hugh Glover (HG)
 +
David Hay (DH)
 +
 +
Started 1:10pm (US Eastern)
 +
Not at quorum
 +
Minutes not approved
 +
Agenda changes to discuss registry first
 +
 +
*Action items review
 +
**Andy will take a look at the security fix on the objective C reference implementation (Lloyd)
 +
**David will check with those that supplied the javascript code as well as with the server side javascript problems in the DSTU build to ensure it has the security fix. - to do
 +
**Ewout will document the offer from Furore to host the FHIR registry (Lloyd) Done
 +
**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2Fdocuments%2Fgovernance%2FFMG%2FFHIR%2520DSTU%2520PSS.doc&revision=2553 PSS for DSTU2](Lloyd) done
 +
**Liaison responsibility review/ transfer from Lorraine (Hans)- to do
 +
**check that RP’s for current proposal have correct owner and approve as block. (David) - to do
 +
**Policy statement on pre-DSTU draft for comment ballot rounds for development materials (Lloyd)- to do
 +
 +
 +
Registries
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* AS: formal process to get to this point
 +
**Was a PSS (ES/Tooling) for registry. Evaluated according to requirements. Looked at Hinjax (didn’t meet requirements).
 +
**ES didn’t have bandwidth to do internally + lack of expertise in FHIR – decided to look externally. May need to be an education/hand off to get internal expertise.
 +
** Process
 +
*** if funded project then source of funds to be determined (chuck discretionary or tooling)
 +
*** then to RFP. Process determined. Preference towards people already working in space.
 +
*** Tooling will review RFP if from their budget.
 +
*** John/Karen to determine Contract. Signed by Mark.
 +
FMG Role:
 +
* create RFP (to be vetted by Tooling, ES)
 +
** templates available
 +
* part of selection process (joint with Tooling/ES)
 +
* involved in acceptance of deliverables (ES as well)
 +
WorkGroup roles (informally)
 +
* ES – Managebility
 +
* Tooling – Architecture
 +
* FMG – functionality
 +
 +
AS: Login details HL7 should be OAuth Provider (Personal opinion)
 +
 +
LM: Our next steps taking initial drafts and other material (eg Furore material) to create RFP
 +
AS: workgroups vote to accept RFP, then go to Karen/John
 +
PK: do we want to send estimated costs to Karen ?
 +
AS: HQ may state budget – do we have any thoughts?
 +
LM: not clear
 +
AS: do we want to add suggested business model to reduce cost to HL7? Ie shared costs with downstream benefits to vendor. Costs to HL7 above about 60K would be difficult...
 +
LM: discussion of requirements.
 +
* Content from Lloyd / Furore.
 +
* OID registry probably out. Will have namespace registry – similar to OID registry but doesn’t issue OIDs. Plus OID registry moving to pay model and will increase scope cost. Will consider integration later.
 +
* concern about public vote up/down. (crowd sourcing)
 +
** PK: concerned about political impact. Organization might have concerns. Might have impact in standards creation (there’s a process to follow to get a standard which is then fixed.) Crowd sourcing is different. What is the impact on standards? Basically need to get input from HQ.
 +
** LM: can the submitter controlled the ability for this to occur. Community endorsement might be good for some, Name recognition (e.g. ONC) for other.
 +
** LM: HL7 endorsed content needs to be distinct from community content.
 +
** PK: is community approval appropriate for balloted material in general. If not then is it OK for the HL7 site to have both options (fixed & community).
 +
** LM: how to do curation? Crowd source is an option (alternative is individual – free or paid).
 +
** AS: there are other models of curation (eg internal, ‘iStore’, I use this) (Templates registry business requirements document has a list of options)
 +
** PK ‘I use this’ different to ‘I like this’. We should state requirement for curation to remove redundancies. LM: need to be specific about mechanism for RFP.
 +
** LM: curation very hard if not done by community that uses it. (need the context that it’s being used in)
 +
LM: at time. Discussion to continue on list – especially curation model given constraints/requirements.
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Close at 2:07pm
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|colspan="4" |'''Actions''' ''(Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)''<br/>
 
|colspan="4" |'''Actions''' ''(Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)''<br/>
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*  
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 +
*Andy will take a look at the security fix on the objective C reference implementation (Lloyd)
 +
*David will check with those that supplied the javascript code as well as with the server side javascript problems in the DSTU build to ensure it has the security fix.
 +
*Liaison responsibility review/ transfer from Lorraine (Hans
 +
* check that RP’s for current proposal have correct owner and approve as block. (David)
 +
* Policy statement on pre-DSTU draft for comment ballot rounds for development materials (Lloyd)
 +
* LM – update requirements for registry
 +
* Create RFP draft for registry
 +
** (include curation mechanism)
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* Tooling/ES to draft requirements for registry also
  
 
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|colspan="4" |'''Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items'''<br/>
 
|colspan="4" |'''Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items'''<br/>
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[[2014mmdd FMG concall]]
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[[20140625 FMG concall]]
  
 
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Latest revision as of 13:39, 27 June 2014

HL7 TSC FMG Meeting Minutes

Location:
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/279790597
(voice and screen)

Date: 2014-06-18
Time: 1:00 PM U.S. Eastern
Chair: Lloyd Note taker(s): David
Quorum = chair + 4 yes/no
Co chairs x David Hay x Lloyd McKenzie
ex-officio Woody Beeler,
Dave Shaver
FGB Co-chairs		 . John Quinn, CTO
Members Members Members Observers/Guests
Hans Buitendijk x Hugh Glover x Paul Knapp regrets Lynn Laakso
Josh Mandel John Moehrke Brian Pech Austin Kreisler
x Andy Stechishin

Agenda

  • Roll Call
  • Agenda Check
  • Minutes from 20140611_FMG_concall
  • Administrative
    • Action items
      • Andy will take a look at the security fix on the objective C reference implementation (Lloyd)
      • David will check with those that supplied the javascript code as well as with the server side javascript problems in the DSTU build to ensure it has the security fix.
      • Ewout will document the offer from Furore to host the FHIR registry (Lloyd)
      • PSS for DSTU2(Lloyd)
      • Liaison responsibility review/ transfer from Lorraine (Hans)
      • check that RP’s for current proposal have correct owner and approve as block. (David)
      • Policy statement on pre-DSTU draft for comment ballot rounds for development materials (Lloyd)
  • Combined project review for FHIR-CCDA (Austin)
  • SDC PSS updates requested (Paul/Lloyd)
  • Project reviews deferred from last week
  • Reports
  • Process management
  • AOB (Any Other Business)

Minutes

Present Lloyd McKenzie (LM) Paul knapp (PK) Andy Stechishin (AS) Hugh Glover (HG) David Hay (DH)

Started 1:10pm (US Eastern) Not at quorum Minutes not approved Agenda changes to discuss registry first

  • Action items review
    • Andy will take a look at the security fix on the objective C reference implementation (Lloyd)
    • David will check with those that supplied the javascript code as well as with the server side javascript problems in the DSTU build to ensure it has the security fix. - to do
    • Ewout will document the offer from Furore to host the FHIR registry (Lloyd) Done
    • PSS for DSTU2(Lloyd) done
    • Liaison responsibility review/ transfer from Lorraine (Hans)- to do
    • check that RP’s for current proposal have correct owner and approve as block. (David) - to do
    • Policy statement on pre-DSTU draft for comment ballot rounds for development materials (Lloyd)- to do


Registries

  • AS: formal process to get to this point
    • Was a PSS (ES/Tooling) for registry. Evaluated according to requirements. Looked at Hinjax (didn’t meet requirements).
    • ES didn’t have bandwidth to do internally + lack of expertise in FHIR – decided to look externally. May need to be an education/hand off to get internal expertise.
    • Process
      • if funded project then source of funds to be determined (chuck discretionary or tooling)
      • then to RFP. Process determined. Preference towards people already working in space.
      • Tooling will review RFP if from their budget.
      • John/Karen to determine Contract. Signed by Mark.

FMG Role:

  • create RFP (to be vetted by Tooling, ES)
    • templates available
  • part of selection process (joint with Tooling/ES)
  • involved in acceptance of deliverables (ES as well)

WorkGroup roles (informally)

  • ES – Managebility
  • Tooling – Architecture
  • FMG – functionality

AS: Login details HL7 should be OAuth Provider (Personal opinion)

LM: Our next steps taking initial drafts and other material (eg Furore material) to create RFP AS: workgroups vote to accept RFP, then go to Karen/John PK: do we want to send estimated costs to Karen ? AS: HQ may state budget – do we have any thoughts? LM: not clear AS: do we want to add suggested business model to reduce cost to HL7? Ie shared costs with downstream benefits to vendor. Costs to HL7 above about 60K would be difficult... LM: discussion of requirements.

  • Content from Lloyd / Furore.
  • OID registry probably out. Will have namespace registry – similar to OID registry but doesn’t issue OIDs. Plus OID registry moving to pay model and will increase scope cost. Will consider integration later.
  • concern about public vote up/down. (crowd sourcing)
    • PK: concerned about political impact. Organization might have concerns. Might have impact in standards creation (there’s a process to follow to get a standard which is then fixed.) Crowd sourcing is different. What is the impact on standards? Basically need to get input from HQ.
    • LM: can the submitter controlled the ability for this to occur. Community endorsement might be good for some, Name recognition (e.g. ONC) for other.
    • LM: HL7 endorsed content needs to be distinct from community content.
    • PK: is community approval appropriate for balloted material in general. If not then is it OK for the HL7 site to have both options (fixed & community).
    • LM: how to do curation? Crowd source is an option (alternative is individual – free or paid).
    • AS: there are other models of curation (eg internal, ‘iStore’, I use this) (Templates registry business requirements document has a list of options)
    • PK ‘I use this’ different to ‘I like this’. We should state requirement for curation to remove redundancies. LM: need to be specific about mechanism for RFP.
    • LM: curation very hard if not done by community that uses it. (need the context that it’s being used in)

LM: at time. Discussion to continue on list – especially curation model given constraints/requirements. Close at 2:07pm



Next Steps

Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
  • Andy will take a look at the security fix on the objective C reference implementation (Lloyd)
  • David will check with those that supplied the javascript code as well as with the server side javascript problems in the DSTU build to ensure it has the security fix.
  • Liaison responsibility review/ transfer from Lorraine (Hans
  • check that RP’s for current proposal have correct owner and approve as block. (David)
  • Policy statement on pre-DSTU draft for comment ballot rounds for development materials (Lloyd)
  • LM – update requirements for registry
  • Create RFP draft for registry
    • (include curation mechanism)
  • Tooling/ES to draft requirements for registry also
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items

20140625 FMG concall


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