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=ARB - Meeting HL7 Spring Working Group Meeting=  
 
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'''Sheraton Wall Centre'''  '''Vancouver, BC, Canada'''
 
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|colspan="2"|Health Information Strategies
 
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===Minutes Q1===
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*Report from TSC:
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##Call to order
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**Charlie: Unresolved points from TSC: Austin and John Quinn both committed to notion that SAIF architecture, Fast Healthcare Interoperability Resources (FHIR), and strategic initiatives connecte via SAIF.  There is no SAIF-IG for HL7.  The leading resource is Lloyd McKenzie, who is working on FHIR.
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##Roll Call
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**ArB proposed to take over SAIF-IG from MnM.  There was angst, concluded when Austin declared that TSC owns the SAIF-IG.
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##Approval of Quarters Agenda
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**LLoyd: there should be a SAIF-IG for V3, V2, FHIR.
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##Approval of WGM agenda
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**Charlie: Will start with a single SAIF-IG, with branch points.  There will be a discussion Sunday night of the notion of FHIR governance vs FHIR management vs FHIR architecture.
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##[[20120503_arb_minutes | Approval of Minutes]]
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**Ron and Charlie discussed the TSC meeting.  Helen Stevens brought up the vertical/vs horizontal in the SAIF-IG.
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##Report from TSC (Charlie/Ron)
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**Ron: The metrics are pointing out the lack of consideration of HL7 priorities in the current projects.
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##Report to the TSC for Sunday Night TSC meeting
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*Report to the TSC for Sunday Night TSC meeting         
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##Discuss Report to Co-Chair meeting Monday Night
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**Grahame:  FHIR SAIF-IG - I want the FHIR SAIF-IG to be the methodology guide, and I intend to write it.  FHIR is only a partial methodology - not enventing anything new, just a different way to deploy existing methodology.  The FHIR imformation model is borrowed from somewhere else. 
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##Review joint meetings to ensure coverage
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**FHIR proposes REST out of the box - which limits the dynamic model.  FHIR puts together a flexible lightweight messaging model that matches those of version 2.  If you cannot meet your needs by using REST or messaging, define a service yourself.
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**Jane: Documents?
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**Grahame: Yes, out of the box, but not necessarily CDA-R3.
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**Lloyd: you can have the charistics of a document that you can exchange using the same dynamic model as other content.
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**Jane: Same as V2 passing CDA?
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**Grahame: Actually better than MDM.
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**Lloyd:Documents in V2MDM are imbeded, FHIR documents are exposed.
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**Governance:
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***Grahame:  FHIR is posted on HL7 servers, so is now HL7 IP.  Until the first full normative version it will be freely available from the HL7 website at [[http://hl7.org/fhir | hl7.org/fhir]].
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***Grahame: I propose that the TSC owns FHIR, and the FHIR governance board(FHIRGB) reports to the TSC.  FHIRGB -Consists of persons who provide time commitements or money.
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***Ron: FHIR creates a defacto footprint, which wil allow other value propositions for the business of HL7.
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***Grahame: Derivative works are possible.
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*Report to co-chairs Meeting Monday Night
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**Ron: We need to discuss actioning.  Charlie asserted that you cannot talk about governance unless you think of it from risk management.
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Revision as of 17:15, 13 May 2012

ARB - Meeting HL7 Spring Working Group Meeting

Sheraton Wall Centre Vancouver, BC, Canada

May 12-18, 2012

Agenda

Sunday

  1. Q1
    1. Call to order
    2. Roll Call
    3. Approval of Quarters Agenda
    4. Approval of WGM agenda
    5. Approval of Minutes
    6. Report from TSC (Charlie/Ron)
    7. Report to the TSC for Sunday Night TSC meeting
    8. Discuss Report to Co-Chair meeting Monday Night
    9. Review joint meetings to ensure coverage
    10. Adjournment
  2. Q2
    1. Call to Order
    2. Approval of Quarters Agenda
    3. Substantivity???
    4. SAIF-CD??? aftershocks
    5. Adjournment
  3. Q3
    1. Call to Order
    2. Approval of Quarters Agenda
    3. Strategic Initiatives
    4. DAM discussion from TSC
    5. Report from Architecture Project
    6. SAIF IG involvement.
    7. What is next for ArB
    8. Item 1
    9. Item2
    10. Adjournment

Thursday

  1. Q3
    1. Call to Order
    2. Aproval of Quarters Agenda
    3. Impact of Thomas Erl's presentation
    4. Substantivity???
    5. HL7 Business Architecture
  2. Q4
    1. Maturity of HL7 and the Customer Base(Zoran/Andy)
    2. FHIR discussion
  3. Other business and planning
    1. Conference calls will not resume until 2nd week after WGM- May 31, 2012. Will re-validate during WGM.
  4. Adjournment

Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Sheraton Wall, Vancouver, BC Canada

Date: 20120513
Time: 9:00am Pacific
Facilitator Parker, Ron Note taker(s) Julian, Tony
Attendee Name Affiliation
X Bond,Andy NEHTA
X Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
X Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
. Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
X Grieve, Grahame Health Intersections Pty Ltd
X Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
X Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
X Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
. Lynch, Cecil Accenture
X Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
. Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
. Ocasio, Wendell Agilex Technologies
X Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Guests
X McKenzie, Lloyd HL7 Canada
X Stechishin,Andy CANA Software & Services Ltd.
. Legend
X Present
. Absent
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes

Minutes Q1

  • Report from TSC:
    • Charlie: Unresolved points from TSC: Austin and John Quinn both committed to notion that SAIF architecture, Fast Healthcare Interoperability Resources (FHIR), and strategic initiatives connecte via SAIF. There is no SAIF-IG for HL7. The leading resource is Lloyd McKenzie, who is working on FHIR.
    • ArB proposed to take over SAIF-IG from MnM. There was angst, concluded when Austin declared that TSC owns the SAIF-IG.
    • LLoyd: there should be a SAIF-IG for V3, V2, FHIR.
    • Charlie: Will start with a single SAIF-IG, with branch points. There will be a discussion Sunday night of the notion of FHIR governance vs FHIR management vs FHIR architecture.
    • Ron and Charlie discussed the TSC meeting. Helen Stevens brought up the vertical/vs horizontal in the SAIF-IG.
    • Ron: The metrics are pointing out the lack of consideration of HL7 priorities in the current projects.
  • Report to the TSC for Sunday Night TSC meeting
    • Grahame: FHIR SAIF-IG - I want the FHIR SAIF-IG to be the methodology guide, and I intend to write it. FHIR is only a partial methodology - not enventing anything new, just a different way to deploy existing methodology. The FHIR imformation model is borrowed from somewhere else.
    • FHIR proposes REST out of the box - which limits the dynamic model. FHIR puts together a flexible lightweight messaging model that matches those of version 2. If you cannot meet your needs by using REST or messaging, define a service yourself.
    • Jane: Documents?
    • Grahame: Yes, out of the box, but not necessarily CDA-R3.
    • Lloyd: you can have the charistics of a document that you can exchange using the same dynamic model as other content.
    • Jane: Same as V2 passing CDA?
    • Grahame: Actually better than MDM.
    • Lloyd:Documents in V2MDM are imbeded, FHIR documents are exposed.
    • Governance:
      • Grahame: FHIR is posted on HL7 servers, so is now HL7 IP. Until the first full normative version it will be freely available from the HL7 website at [| hl7.org/fhir].
      • Grahame: I propose that the TSC owns FHIR, and the FHIR governance board(FHIRGB) reports to the TSC. FHIRGB -Consists of persons who provide time commitements or money.
      • Ron: FHIR creates a defacto footprint, which wil allow other value propositions for the business of HL7.
      • Grahame: Derivative works are possible.
  • Report to co-chairs Meeting Monday Night
    • Ron: We need to discuss actioning. Charlie asserted that you cannot talk about governance unless you think of it from risk management.
  1. Q2
    1. Call to Order
    2. Approval of Quarters Agenda
    3. Architecture of templating
    4. Substantivity???
    5. SAIF-CD??? aftershocks
    6. Adjournment
  1. Q3
    1. Call to Order
    2. Approval of Quarters Agenda
    3. Strategic Initiatives
    4. DAM discussion from TSC
    5. Report from Architecture Project
    6. SAIF IG involvement.
    7. What is next for ArB
    8. Item 1
    9. Item2
    10. Adjournment

Thursday Meeting Information

HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes

Location: Sheraton Wall, Vancouver, BC Canada

Date: 20120517
Time: 1:45pm Pacific
Facilitator Charlie Mead/ Parker, Ron Note taker(s) Julian, Tony/????
Attendee Name Affiliation
. Bond,Andy NEHTA
. Constable, Lorraine Constable Consulting Inc.
. Curry, Jane Health Information Strategies
. Dagnall, Bo HP Enterprise Services
. Grieve, Grahame Health Intersections Pty Ltd
. Hufnagel, Steve U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System
. Julian, Tony Mayo Clinic
. Loyd, Patrick ICode Solutions
. Lynch, Cecil Accenture
. Mead, Charlie National Cancer Institute
. Milosevic, Zoran NEHTA
. Ocasio, Wendell Agilex Technologies
. Parker, Ron CA Infoway
. Quinn, John Health Level Seven, Inc.
. Guests
.
. Legend
. Present
. Absent
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes


Minutes

  1. Q3
    1. Call to Order
    2. Aproval of Quarters Agenda
    3. Impact of Thomas Erl's presentation
    4. Substantivity???
    5. HL7 Business Architecture
  2. Q4
    1. Maturity of HL7 and the Customer Base(Zoran/Andy)
    2. FHIR discussion
    3. Architecture of templating
  3. Other business and planning
    1. Conference calls will not resume until 2nd week after WGM- May 31, 2012. Will re-validate during WGM.
  4. Adjournment
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