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|colspan="2"|Health Information Strategies | |colspan="2"|Health Information Strategies | ||
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− | |.||Grieve, Grahame | + | |.||[[User:GrahameGrieve |Grieve, Grahame]] |
− | |colspan="2"| | + | |colspan="2"|Health Intersections Pty Ltd |
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− | |X||Hufnagel, Steve | + | |X||[[User:Hufnagel | Hufnagel, Steve]] |
|colspan="2"| U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System | |colspan="2"| U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System | ||
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− | |X||Julian, Tony | + | |X||[[User:Ajulian | Julian, Tony]] |
|colspan="2"|Mayo Clinic | |colspan="2"|Mayo Clinic | ||
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− | |.||Koisch, John | + | |.||Koisch, John |
|colspan="2"|Guidewire Architecture | |colspan="2"|Guidewire Architecture | ||
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+ | |.||[[User:Ployd | Loyd, Patrick]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|ICode Solutions | ||
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|colspan="2"|Agilex Technologies | |colspan="2"|Agilex Technologies | ||
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|colspan="2"|CA Infoway | |colspan="2"|CA Infoway | ||
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#Sunday Q1 | #Sunday Q1 | ||
##Call to order | ##Call to order | ||
− | ##Agenda | + | ##Agenda approval |
###'''Motion''' Approve the agenda(Patrick/Jane) | ###'''Motion''' Approve the agenda(Patrick/Jane) | ||
###'''Vote''' (7-0-0) | ###'''Vote''' (7-0-0) | ||
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###Motion to accept (Patrick/Jane) | ###Motion to accept (Patrick/Jane) | ||
###Vote 7-0-0 | ###Vote 7-0-0 | ||
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##Membership changes | ##Membership changes | ||
###Patrick: Suggest addition of Lorraine Constable as she is involved in the OO project. | ###Patrick: Suggest addition of Lorraine Constable as she is involved in the OO project. | ||
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####Find your name, and edit your user page | ####Find your name, and edit your user page | ||
####Save! | ####Save! | ||
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##OO project and Implications | ##OO project and Implications | ||
###SOA representation | ###SOA representation | ||
###Message representation | ###Message representation | ||
− | + | ###Add SAIF-AP update to weekly agenda. | |
− | + | ##Glossary | |
+ | ###Glossary is incomplete. | ||
+ | ###Cecil: Owl would provide representation for terminologies and glossaries. | ||
+ | ###Tony: Definitions should be co-ordinated between WG's. | ||
+ | ###Ron: ISO terms are well defined. HL7 needs tooling to provide a way to manage this. To architect a solution, all ballot content would spit out a list that would map against a glossary - managed in a semantic, such as OWL. | ||
+ | ###Jane: Sounds like harmonization stuff, which has gone from Vocab to Rim to Patterns. | ||
+ | ###Ron: Not on the publishing facilitators. TSC has reported that virtual harmonization has not worked well. This is an item for dedicated tooling. | ||
+ | ###Patrick: The organization has not made the value proposition for virtual harmonization. | ||
+ | ###Ron: Propose that we build a PSS around creating an HL7 Glossary. | ||
+ | ###'''Motion''' To create a PSS for establishment of business and technical architecture to support active Glossary management. (Patrick/Jane) | ||
+ | ### Volunteers - Ron, Jane, Cecil will take first class. | ||
+ | ###Use SAIF to frame it - | ||
+ | ####Business architecture | ||
+ | ####Use Cases | ||
+ | ####Processes affected | ||
+ | ####Tooling required and intersection with current tooling | ||
+ | ####Inputs | ||
+ | #####Ballots | ||
+ | #####Implementation Guides | ||
+ | #####GOM | ||
+ | ####Governance Implications | ||
+ | ####Timeliness | ||
+ | ###'''Vote'''(7-0-0) | ||
#Sunday Q2 | #Sunday Q2 | ||
##Call to order | ##Call to order | ||
− | ## | + | ##Architecture Project |
− | ### | + | ###FIM co-sponsorship |
− | ### | + | ###Steve Hufnafel: EHR workgroup has been working on EHR-S FM since 2006. The Project scope statement is for release 2.1 to add core information models for each of the system functions. It is straight-forward to build Information Model. |
+ | ####Make EHR-S FM easier to user for analysts and engineers | ||
+ | ####Verify and validate EHR-S FM Release 2.0 | ||
+ | ###'''Motion''' To approve ArB as co-sponsor as the PSS.(Steve/Patrick) | ||
+ | ####ARB role - to review and clarify definitional items | ||
+ | ####Help with alignment and mapping | ||
+ | ####Test and potentially edit SAIF-CD | ||
+ | ####Make Recommendations to TSC where conflict arises between content and other work groups. | ||
+ | ###'''Vote''' (7-0-0) | ||
#Sunday Q3 | #Sunday Q3 | ||
##Call to order | ##Call to order | ||
+ | ##Substantivity: | ||
+ | ###This comes up because there is no substantive(ity) definition for non-wire format documents: Possibilities: | ||
+ | ###'A substantive change is one that changes the semantics of a given specification, i.e. representational changes should <<not>> be considered substantive in the context of the source specification itself <<unless>> such representational changes could semantically change down-stream derivative products of the specification, including either/both derivative semantics and/or derivative serializations or other wire-format-sensitive constructs.' | ||
+ | ###'''Motion''' To accept the definition of substantive change to be presented to the TSC. (Cecil/Steven) | ||
+ | ####A substantive change is one that changes the semantics of a given artifact; this applies to both normative and non-normative artifacts. | ||
+ | ####For artifacts that are normative, or are intended to be normative (ie: specifications) any change that affects conformity is substantive. By definition, normative means the artifact has conformity statement(s). If there is an extension to a normative artifact, it is substantive only if it adds or changes existing conformance statements. | ||
+ | ####For non-normative artifacts, any change that adds new content, or affects a derivative work is substantive. Editorial change or clarification of original content or semantics is not substantive. | ||
+ | ###'''Vote'''(7-0-0) | ||
+ | ###We speculate HL7 has never before balloted an item with only 4 paragraphs. | ||
+ | ##Next Steps | ||
+ | ##Revisit Role | ||
##V3 Substantive changes | ##V3 Substantive changes | ||
− | + | ###Tony will pick up the thread of resolving our negatives from that ballot and re-balloting this. | |
− | ## | ||
#Tuesday Q4 | #Tuesday Q4 | ||
##Call to order | ##Call to order | ||
##TBD | ##TBD | ||
#Wednesday Q1 | #Wednesday Q1 | ||
− | ## | + | ##Joint with SOA at SOA |
+ | ====Meeting Information==== | ||
+ | {|border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" | ||
+ | | width="50%" colspan="2" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes''' <br/> | ||
+ | '''Location: [[20120115_arb_WGM_SanAntonio_Minutes|San Antonio, Texas, USA]]''' | ||
+ | | width="50%" colspan="3" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Date: 20120119'''<br/> '''Time: 1:45pm U.S. Eastern''' | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | width="10%" colspan="1" align="right"|'''Facilitator''' | ||
+ | | width="35%" colspan="1" align="left"|[[User:Rongparker | Parker, Ron]] | ||
+ | | width="25%" colspan="1" align="right"|'''Note taker(s)''' | ||
+ | | width="30%" colspan="1" align="left"|[[User:Ajulian | Julian, Tony]] | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | border="4" cellpadding="1" colspan="4" style="background:#f0f0f0;"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | border="1" cellpadding="2" colspan="1" align="left"|'''Attendee''' | ||
+ | | '''Name''' | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|'''Affiliation''' | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Bond,Andy | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|NEHTA | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||[[User:Lconstab |Constable, Lorraine]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Constable Consulting Inc. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Janecurry|Curry, Jane]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Health Information Strategies | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Dagnall, Bo | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|HP Enterprise Services | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||[[User:GrahameGrieve |Grieve, Grahame]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Health Intersections Pty Ltd | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Hufnagel | Hufnagel, Steve]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Ajulian | Julian, Tony]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Mayo Clinic | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Ployd | Loyd, Patrick]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|ICode Solutions | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Clynchmd | Lynch, Cecil]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Accenture | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||Mead, Charlie | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|National Cancer Institute | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Milosevic, Zoran | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|NEHTA | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||[[User:Ocasiw01 | Ocasio, Wendell]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Agilex Technologies | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Rongparker | Parker, Ron]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|CA Infoway | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||Quinn, John | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Health Level Seven, Inc. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |. | ||
+ | |colspan="4" align="center"|Guests | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Sekar, Vin | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|NEHTA | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Gaunt, Sarah | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|NEHTA | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |. | ||
+ | |colspan="4" align="center"|Legend | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Present | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||Absent | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |colspan="4" style="background:#f0f0f0;"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |colspan="4" |'''Quorum Requirements Met: '''Yes | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | |||
#Thursday Q3 | #Thursday Q3 | ||
− | ##Call | + | ##Domain Analysis Model(s) |
+ | ###Definition - ARB | ||
+ | ###Form - Joint with MnM | ||
+ | ##ArB Priorities | ||
+ | ###Look at strategic initiatives | ||
+ | ####Internal coherent architecture?? | ||
+ | ###What are our obligations? | ||
+ | ####Where are we with PSS? - Sponsor/Co-Sponsor | ||
+ | ####SOA/ARB Facilitators | ||
+ | #####How do we train | ||
+ | #####How do we monitor/measure | ||
+ | ####Co-chair training | ||
+ | ###SOA/ARB Language Harmonization | ||
+ | ###PS-ARB Project alignment(SOA Handbook) | ||
+ | ###Arbitration of Architectural Disputes | ||
+ | ####Declaration | ||
+ | ####Formalize | ||
+ | ####Responsiveness | ||
+ | ####Conformance/Compliance | ||
+ | ####Substantivity | ||
+ | #####Ballot Reconcillation | ||
+ | #####Definition | ||
+ | #####Quality Characteristics | ||
+ | ######Allow groups to self-adjucate? | ||
+ | ######Application needs to be uniform | ||
+ | ######Consistently applicable regards of paradigm | ||
+ | ######Non-normative may have substantive change | ||
+ | ######ArB needs to post times in advance so TSC/Co-chairs may join | ||
+ | ####Coherence | ||
+ | ####Glossary | ||
+ | ###Membership: | ||
+ | ####Ron Parker - Vice-Chair | ||
+ | ####Charlie Mead - Chair | ||
+ | ####Andy Bond | ||
+ | ####Lorraine Constable | ||
+ | ####Jane Curry | ||
+ | ####Bo Dagnall | ||
+ | ####Grahame Grieve | ||
+ | ####Stephen Hufnagel | ||
+ | ####Tony Julian | ||
+ | ####John Koisch - removed | ||
+ | ####Patrick Loyd | ||
+ | ####Cecil Lynch | ||
+ | ####Zoran Milosevic | ||
+ | ####Tony Julian | ||
+ | ##SAIF-CD | ||
+ | ###info in Project Scope Statement | ||
+ | ###Verify and Validate | ||
+ | ###Risk Assessment | ||
+ | ##Agenda for future Telcons, etc. | ||
+ | ###Soa Joint Call 1 in 4 | ||
+ | ##WG Coverage at WGM's | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
##TBD | ##TBD | ||
#Thursday Q4 | #Thursday Q4 | ||
+ | |||
+ | ====Meeting Information==== | ||
+ | {|border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" | ||
+ | | width="50%" colspan="2" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes''' <br/> | ||
+ | '''Location: [[20120115_arb_WGM_SanAntonio_Minutes|San Antonio, Texas, USA]]''' | ||
+ | | width="50%" colspan="3" align="left" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Date: 20120119'''<br/> '''Time: 3:00pm U.S. Eastern''' | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | width="10%" colspan="1" align="right"|'''Facilitator''' | ||
+ | | width="35%" colspan="1" align="left"|Ron Parker | ||
+ | | width="25%" colspan="1" align="right"|'''Note taker(s)''' | ||
+ | | width="30%" colspan="1" align="left"|[[User:Ajulian | Julian, Tony]] | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | border="4" cellpadding="1" colspan="4" style="background:#f0f0f0;"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | border="1" cellpadding="2" colspan="1" align="left"|'''Attendee''' | ||
+ | | '''Name''' | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|'''Affiliation''' | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Bond,Andy | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|NEHTA | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Lconstab |Constable, Lorraine]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Constable Consulting Inc. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Janecurry|Curry, Jane]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Health Information Strategies | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Dagnall, Bo | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|HP Enterprise Services | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||[[User:GrahameGrieve |Grieve, Grahame]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Health Intersections Pty Ltd | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Hufnagel | Hufnagel, Steve]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Ajulian | Julian, Tony]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Mayo Clinic | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Ployd | Loyd, Patrick]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|ICode Solutions | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Clynchmd | Lynch, Cecil]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Accenture | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||Mead, Charlie | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|National Cancer Institute | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Milosevic, Zoran | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|NEHTA | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||[[User:Ocasiw01 | Ocasio, Wendell]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Agilex Technologies | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||[[User:Rongparker | Parker, Ron]] | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|CA Infoway | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||Quinn, John | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|Health Level Seven, Inc. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |. | ||
+ | |colspan="4" align="center"|Guests | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||McKenzie, LLoyd | ||
+ | |colspan="2"|HL7 Canada | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |. | ||
+ | |colspan="4" align="center"|Legend | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |X||Present | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |.||Absent | ||
+ | |colspan="2"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |colspan="4" style="background:#f0f0f0;"| | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |colspan="4" |'''Quorum Requirements Met: '''Yes | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |} | ||
##Call to order | ##Call to order | ||
+ | ##Priorities | ||
+ | 1 DSTU edits & Glossary | ||
+ | 1.1 Cecil will deliver list of those missing | ||
+ | 1.2 Bo' Comment integration | ||
+ | 1.3 Non-substantive edits | ||
+ | 2 Domain Analysis/Information Model | ||
+ | 2.1:N | ||
+ | 3 Coherence | ||
+ | 4 - Conformance/Compliance | ||
+ | 4.1 Multiple Trigger/Gov Points | ||
+ | 4.2 Internal Architecture/Strategic Initiatives | ||
+ | 5 Substantivity | ||
+ | ##WG Coverage at MAY WGM | ||
+ | ##May WGM | ||
+ | ###Sunday | ||
+ | #### Q1 - Assignments to other WGM's | ||
+ | #### Q2 | ||
+ | ###Thursday Q3 - Followup on Coverage | ||
+ | ###Thursday Q4 | ||
+ | ##To-do: Terms of Reference | ||
+ | ###Do we need representative to TC1, CIMI,JIT etc. | ||
+ | ###This is important. | ||
##Wrap up | ##Wrap up | ||
##Agenda for future Telcons, etc. | ##Agenda for future Telcons, etc. | ||
+ | ###January 26, 2012 | ||
− | [[User:Ajulian|Tony Julian]] | + | NOTE: When determining priorities we need to determine SAIF-AP needs. |
+ | Adjourned at [[User:Ajulian|Tony Julian]] 22:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC) | ||
[[Category:Arb Minutes]] | [[Category:Arb Minutes]] |
Latest revision as of 20:22, 26 January 2012
Contents
ArB Minutes
Detailed Agenda
Click here for meeting-at-a-glance
- Sunday Q1
- Call to order
- Agenda and Minute approval
- Saif Canonical Ballot Reconcillation
- 19 comments
- 2 persuasive with mod
- 1 Persuasive
- 1 Considered- No action required
- 14 not related - an incorrect spreadsheet was uploaded by an affirmative balloter.
- Membership changes
- Glossary
- Next Steps
- Revisit Role
- Architecture Project
- FIM co-sponsorship
- OO project and Implications
- SOA representation
- Message representation
- Sunday Q2
- Call to order
- Substantivity:
- This comes up because there is no substantive(ity) definition for non-wire format documents
- A substantive change is one that changes the semantics of a given specification, i.e. representational changes should <<not>> be considered substantive in the context of the source specification itself <<unless>> such representational changes could substantively change down-stream derivative products of the specification, including either/both derivative semantics and/or derivative serializations or other wire-format-sensitive constructs.
- Sunday Q3
- Call to order
- V3 Substantive changes
- TBD
- Tuesday Q4
- Call to order
- TBD
- Wednesday Q1
- - Joint with SOA at SOA
- Thursday Q3
- Call to order
- ArB Planning
- TBD
- Thursday Q4
- Call to order
- Wrap up
- Agenda for future Telcons, etc.
Meeting Information
HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA |
Date: 20120115 Time: 9:00Am U.S. Eastern | |||||
Facilitator | Ron Parker | Note taker(s) | Julian, Tony | |||
Attendee | Name | Affiliation | ||||
X | Bond,Andy | NEHTA | ||||
X | Curry, Jane | Health Information Strategies | ||||
. | Grieve, Grahame | Health Intersections Pty Ltd | ||||
X | Hufnagel, Steve | U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System | ||||
X | Julian, Tony | Mayo Clinic | ||||
. | Koisch, John | Guidewire Architecture | ||||
. | Loyd, Patrick | ICode Solutions | ||||
X | Lynch, Cecil | Accenture | ||||
. | Mead, Charlie | National Cancer Institute | ||||
X | Milosevic, Zoran | NEHTA | ||||
. | Ocasio, Wendell | Agilex Technologies | ||||
X | Parker, Ron | CA Infoway | ||||
. | Quinn, John | Health Level Seven, Inc. | ||||
. | Guests | |||||
X | Constable, Lorraine | Constable Consulting Inc. | ||||
X | Dagnall, Bo | HP | ||||
. | Legend | |||||
X | Present | |||||
. | Absent | |||||
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes |
Minutes
- Sunday Q1
- Call to order
- Agenda approval
- Motion Approve the agenda(Patrick/Jane)
- Vote (7-0-0)
- Saif Canonical Ballot Reconcillation
- 19 comments
- 2 persuasive with mod
- 1 Persuasive
- 1 Considered- No action required
- 14 not related - an incorrect spreadsheet was uploaded by an affirmative balloter.
- Motion to accept (Patrick/Jane)
- Vote 7-0-0
- Membership changes
- Patrick: Suggest addition of Lorraine Constable as she is involved in the OO project.
- Motion To add Lorraine (Patrick/Jane) (subject to approval by TSC).
- Vote (7-0-0)
- Patrick: Wish to remain on the ArB. Participation has been better.
- Grahame and John are not participating, and will step down.
- Current Membership: Patrick, Tony , Ron, Charlie, Andy, Zoran, Cecil, Jane, Steve, Lorraine, Bo Dagnal, Wendell
- Wiki profile page updates
- Logon to wiki
- Go to Special:ActiveUsers
- Find your name, and edit your user page
- Save!
- OO project and Implications
- SOA representation
- Message representation
- Add SAIF-AP update to weekly agenda.
- Glossary
- Glossary is incomplete.
- Cecil: Owl would provide representation for terminologies and glossaries.
- Tony: Definitions should be co-ordinated between WG's.
- Ron: ISO terms are well defined. HL7 needs tooling to provide a way to manage this. To architect a solution, all ballot content would spit out a list that would map against a glossary - managed in a semantic, such as OWL.
- Jane: Sounds like harmonization stuff, which has gone from Vocab to Rim to Patterns.
- Ron: Not on the publishing facilitators. TSC has reported that virtual harmonization has not worked well. This is an item for dedicated tooling.
- Patrick: The organization has not made the value proposition for virtual harmonization.
- Ron: Propose that we build a PSS around creating an HL7 Glossary.
- Motion To create a PSS for establishment of business and technical architecture to support active Glossary management. (Patrick/Jane)
- Volunteers - Ron, Jane, Cecil will take first class.
- Use SAIF to frame it -
- Business architecture
- Use Cases
- Processes affected
- Tooling required and intersection with current tooling
- Inputs
- Ballots
- Implementation Guides
- GOM
- Governance Implications
- Timeliness
- Vote(7-0-0)
- Sunday Q2
- Call to order
- Architecture Project
- FIM co-sponsorship
- Steve Hufnafel: EHR workgroup has been working on EHR-S FM since 2006. The Project scope statement is for release 2.1 to add core information models for each of the system functions. It is straight-forward to build Information Model.
- Make EHR-S FM easier to user for analysts and engineers
- Verify and validate EHR-S FM Release 2.0
- Motion To approve ArB as co-sponsor as the PSS.(Steve/Patrick)
- ARB role - to review and clarify definitional items
- Help with alignment and mapping
- Test and potentially edit SAIF-CD
- Make Recommendations to TSC where conflict arises between content and other work groups.
- Vote (7-0-0)
- Sunday Q3
- Call to order
- Substantivity:
- This comes up because there is no substantive(ity) definition for non-wire format documents: Possibilities:
- 'A substantive change is one that changes the semantics of a given specification, i.e. representational changes should <<not>> be considered substantive in the context of the source specification itself <<unless>> such representational changes could semantically change down-stream derivative products of the specification, including either/both derivative semantics and/or derivative serializations or other wire-format-sensitive constructs.'
- Motion To accept the definition of substantive change to be presented to the TSC. (Cecil/Steven)
- A substantive change is one that changes the semantics of a given artifact; this applies to both normative and non-normative artifacts.
- For artifacts that are normative, or are intended to be normative (ie: specifications) any change that affects conformity is substantive. By definition, normative means the artifact has conformity statement(s). If there is an extension to a normative artifact, it is substantive only if it adds or changes existing conformance statements.
- For non-normative artifacts, any change that adds new content, or affects a derivative work is substantive. Editorial change or clarification of original content or semantics is not substantive.
- Vote(7-0-0)
- We speculate HL7 has never before balloted an item with only 4 paragraphs.
- Next Steps
- Revisit Role
- V3 Substantive changes
- Tony will pick up the thread of resolving our negatives from that ballot and re-balloting this.
- Tuesday Q4
- Call to order
- TBD
- Wednesday Q1
- Joint with SOA at SOA
Meeting Information
HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA |
Date: 20120119 Time: 1:45pm U.S. Eastern | |||||
Facilitator | Parker, Ron | Note taker(s) | Julian, Tony | |||
Attendee | Name | Affiliation | ||||
X | Bond,Andy | NEHTA | ||||
. | Constable, Lorraine | Constable Consulting Inc. | ||||
X | Curry, Jane | Health Information Strategies | ||||
X | Dagnall, Bo | HP Enterprise Services | ||||
. | Grieve, Grahame | Health Intersections Pty Ltd | ||||
X | Hufnagel, Steve | U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System | ||||
X | Julian, Tony | Mayo Clinic | ||||
X | Loyd, Patrick | ICode Solutions | ||||
X | Lynch, Cecil | Accenture | ||||
. | Mead, Charlie | National Cancer Institute | ||||
X | Milosevic, Zoran | NEHTA | ||||
. | Ocasio, Wendell | Agilex Technologies | ||||
X | Parker, Ron | CA Infoway | ||||
. | Quinn, John | Health Level Seven, Inc. | ||||
. | Guests | |||||
X | Sekar, Vin | NEHTA | ||||
X | Gaunt, Sarah | NEHTA | ||||
. | Legend | |||||
X | Present | |||||
. | Absent | |||||
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes |
- Thursday Q3
- Domain Analysis Model(s)
- Definition - ARB
- Form - Joint with MnM
- ArB Priorities
- Look at strategic initiatives
- Internal coherent architecture??
- What are our obligations?
- Where are we with PSS? - Sponsor/Co-Sponsor
- SOA/ARB Facilitators
- How do we train
- How do we monitor/measure
- Co-chair training
- SOA/ARB Language Harmonization
- PS-ARB Project alignment(SOA Handbook)
- Arbitration of Architectural Disputes
- Declaration
- Formalize
- Responsiveness
- Conformance/Compliance
- Substantivity
- Ballot Reconcillation
- Definition
- Quality Characteristics
- Allow groups to self-adjucate?
- Application needs to be uniform
- Consistently applicable regards of paradigm
- Non-normative may have substantive change
- ArB needs to post times in advance so TSC/Co-chairs may join
- Coherence
- Glossary
- Membership:
- Ron Parker - Vice-Chair
- Charlie Mead - Chair
- Andy Bond
- Lorraine Constable
- Jane Curry
- Bo Dagnall
- Grahame Grieve
- Stephen Hufnagel
- Tony Julian
- John Koisch - removed
- Patrick Loyd
- Cecil Lynch
- Zoran Milosevic
- Tony Julian
- Look at strategic initiatives
- SAIF-CD
- info in Project Scope Statement
- Verify and Validate
- Risk Assessment
- Agenda for future Telcons, etc.
- Soa Joint Call 1 in 4
- WG Coverage at WGM's
- Domain Analysis Model(s)
- TBD
- Thursday Q4
Meeting Information
HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA |
Date: 20120119 Time: 3:00pm U.S. Eastern | |||||
Facilitator | Ron Parker | Note taker(s) | Julian, Tony | |||
Attendee | Name | Affiliation | ||||
X | Bond,Andy | NEHTA | ||||
X | Constable, Lorraine | Constable Consulting Inc. | ||||
X | Curry, Jane | Health Information Strategies | ||||
X | Dagnall, Bo | HP Enterprise Services | ||||
. | Grieve, Grahame | Health Intersections Pty Ltd | ||||
X | Hufnagel, Steve | U.S. Department of Defense, Military Health System | ||||
X | Julian, Tony | Mayo Clinic | ||||
X | Loyd, Patrick | ICode Solutions | ||||
X | Lynch, Cecil | Accenture | ||||
. | Mead, Charlie | National Cancer Institute | ||||
X | Milosevic, Zoran | NEHTA | ||||
. | Ocasio, Wendell | Agilex Technologies | ||||
X | Parker, Ron | CA Infoway | ||||
. | Quinn, John | Health Level Seven, Inc. | ||||
. | Guests | |||||
X | McKenzie, LLoyd | HL7 Canada | ||||
. | Legend | |||||
X | Present | |||||
. | Absent | |||||
Quorum Requirements Met: Yes |
- Call to order
- Priorities
1 DSTU edits & Glossary 1.1 Cecil will deliver list of those missing 1.2 Bo' Comment integration 1.3 Non-substantive edits 2 Domain Analysis/Information Model 2.1:N 3 Coherence 4 - Conformance/Compliance 4.1 Multiple Trigger/Gov Points 4.2 Internal Architecture/Strategic Initiatives 5 Substantivity
- WG Coverage at MAY WGM
- May WGM
- Sunday
- Q1 - Assignments to other WGM's
- Q2
- Thursday Q3 - Followup on Coverage
- Thursday Q4
- Sunday
- To-do: Terms of Reference
- Do we need representative to TC1, CIMI,JIT etc.
- This is important.
- Wrap up
- Agenda for future Telcons, etc.
- January 26, 2012
NOTE: When determining priorities we need to determine SAIF-AP needs. Adjourned at Tony Julian 22:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)