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#Report from the Canada Health Infoway [http://www.infoway-inforoute.ca/lang-en/about-infoway/events/upcoming-events/partnership-conference fall partnership conference] held on November 15-17 2010.  
 
#Report from the Canada Health Infoway [http://www.infoway-inforoute.ca/lang-en/about-infoway/events/upcoming-events/partnership-conference fall partnership conference] held on November 15-17 2010.  
 
#*This meeting contains presentations on RIMBAA topics, as well as a v3 implementation tutorials. Lloyd McKenzie, Lorraine Constable and Andy Stechishin will be in attendance, and they'll provide feedback to RIMBAA.
 
#*This meeting contains presentations on RIMBAA topics, as well as a v3 implementation tutorials. Lloyd McKenzie, Lorraine Constable and Andy Stechishin will be in attendance, and they'll provide feedback to RIMBAA.
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#Creation of an LDM/PDM based on the RIM (Abdul-Malik Shakir)
 
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#*Requested, yet to be confirmed
 
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#Use of a (meta-)model registry in a RIMBAA environment
 
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#*Speaker to be found
 
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#*See slides 8 and 9 in this presentation: [http://www.hl7.org/library/committees/java/20101104_RIMBAA_NIHR.pdf]; see slides in AMS presentation; NCI probably has work in this area as well.
 
  
 
==TUE Q6 (19:00-21:00) [[Image:Technical med.gif]]==
 
==TUE Q6 (19:00-21:00) [[Image:Technical med.gif]]==
 
#''Note: this is at the same time as the tooling presentations held by the Tooling WG. RIMBAA normally meets on Wednesday evening; that is however too much of a conflict with the networking event this time around.''
 
#''Note: this is at the same time as the tooling presentations held by the Tooling WG. RIMBAA normally meets on Wednesday evening; that is however too much of a conflict with the networking event this time around.''
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#Dealing with "Context" of a payload
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#Dealing with "Context" of a payload (max 60 minutes)
 
#*During the London UK meeting is was noted that various projects use similar approaches when it comes to dealing with the context of 'payload data'. The Canadian specs use ''subject'' and ''author'' in the ControlAct wrapper (only); Jean and Lorraine presented the fact that NCI uses v3 based services where subject and author are part of the service parameters and not the service payload, and RIMBAA has been discussing the concept of [[Context SMIRF]]s. These are all similar approaches to remove context from the actual payload.   
 
#*During the London UK meeting is was noted that various projects use similar approaches when it comes to dealing with the context of 'payload data'. The Canadian specs use ''subject'' and ''author'' in the ControlAct wrapper (only); Jean and Lorraine presented the fact that NCI uses v3 based services where subject and author are part of the service parameters and not the service payload, and RIMBAA has been discussing the concept of [[Context SMIRF]]s. These are all similar approaches to remove context from the actual payload.   
 
#*Discussion by (amongst others): Jean D, Patrick L
 
#*Discussion by (amongst others): Jean D, Patrick L
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#Discussion of RIMBAA Issues
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#Creation of an LDM/PDM based on the RIM (Abdul-Malik Shakir) (max 30 minutes)
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#*AMS was one of the first persons in HL7 to discuss a method for the creation of PDMs based on DIMs. He has been involved in such projects a number of times. He'll review what he sees as the crucial steps in deriving
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#Use of a (meta-)model registry in a RIMBAA environment (Abdul-Malik Shakir) (max 30 minutes)
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#*A model registry contains the definitions of the RIM-based models used within an application (e.g. for processing, for versioning, for storage or querying).
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#*See slides 8 and 9 in this presentation: [http://www.hl7.org/library/committees/java/20101104_RIMBAA_NIHR.pdf]; see slides in AMS presentation; NCI probably has work in this area as well.
  
 
==(January 13th) THUR Q3 [[Image:Technical med.gif]]==
 
==(January 13th) THUR Q3 [[Image:Technical med.gif]]==

Revision as of 09:29, 22 December 2010

Agenda for the January 2011 WGM (January 9-14) in Sydney Australia

Note: Rene is the only co-chair present at this meeting. He'll present the "HL7 version 3 implementation" tutorial on Wednesday morning, which is effectively a summary of all RIMBAA issues and best practices.

MON Q4 Business-Icon.jpg Technical med.gif

  1. Administrative agenda items (max 30 minutes)
    • Approval of the agenda for the week
    • Approval of the minutes of the London meeting
    • Announcements
    • Planning of next meetings
      • RIMBAA 201105 Agenda in Orlando FL, USA
      • HL7 UK has offered to host another RIMBAA meeting, to be held in November.
  2. Report from the Canada Health Infoway fall partnership conference held on November 15-17 2010.
    • This meeting contains presentations on RIMBAA topics, as well as a v3 implementation tutorials. Lloyd McKenzie, Lorraine Constable and Andy Stechishin will be in attendance, and they'll provide feedback to RIMBAA.

TUE Q6 (19:00-21:00) Technical med.gif

  1. Note: this is at the same time as the tooling presentations held by the Tooling WG. RIMBAA normally meets on Wednesday evening; that is however too much of a conflict with the networking event this time around.
  2. Dealing with "Context" of a payload (max 60 minutes)
    • During the London UK meeting is was noted that various projects use similar approaches when it comes to dealing with the context of 'payload data'. The Canadian specs use subject and author in the ControlAct wrapper (only); Jean and Lorraine presented the fact that NCI uses v3 based services where subject and author are part of the service parameters and not the service payload, and RIMBAA has been discussing the concept of Context SMIRFs. These are all similar approaches to remove context from the actual payload.
    • Discussion by (amongst others): Jean D, Patrick L
  3. Creation of an LDM/PDM based on the RIM (Abdul-Malik Shakir) (max 30 minutes)
    • AMS was one of the first persons in HL7 to discuss a method for the creation of PDMs based on DIMs. He has been involved in such projects a number of times. He'll review what he sees as the crucial steps in deriving
  4. Use of a (meta-)model registry in a RIMBAA environment (Abdul-Malik Shakir) (max 30 minutes)
    • A model registry contains the definitions of the RIM-based models used within an application (e.g. for processing, for versioning, for storage or querying).
    • See slides 8 and 9 in this presentation: [1]; see slides in AMS presentation; NCI probably has work in this area as well.

(January 13th) THUR Q3 Technical med.gif

  1. This quarter as well as the next quarter will focus on the commonalities between OpenEHR implementation issues and RIMBAA implementation issues. (Please note that this meeting, like all HL7 meetings, is open to all interested parties - provided they registered for the Thursday of the HL7 WGM.)
    • Given that OpenEHR implementations are based on a reference model, with reference model based persistence, a template/archetype based services layer, ISO datatypes, they must be facing many of the same issues as the HL7 RIMBAA implementers. Looking at a paper like [2] confirms this thinking.
    • Whilst acknowledging that there are differences of opinion between members of the two organizations as to what the proper approach to clinical data modeling is: these differences are less important at the software architecture/implementation level which is the only level this WG focuses on.
  2. User Interface generation (see [3] and [4] on the OpenEHR Wiki, and User Interface for RIMBAA Applications on the HL7 Wiki)
    • based on Archetype/DCM/Template definitions
    • based on data types
  3. Persistence
    • of Archetype/DCM/Template/SMIRF Instances
    • using the reference model / RIM as a LDM
    • querying subsets of data
  4. Archetype ADL(OpenEHR)/MIF(HL7) based MDA

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  1. Continuation of the agenda from THUR Q3

FRI Q1 (09:00-10:30) Technical med.gif

  • Wrap-up, methodology issues surfaced by RIMBAA implementations


Meeting Attendance (marked P)

At Name Affiliation Email Address
  Adel Ghlamallah CIHI, CA aghlamallah@infoway.ca
  Alan Nicol Informatics, UK alan.nicol@informatics.co.uk
  Alejandro Pica EMA, UK alejandro.pica@ema.europa.eu
  Alexander Henket E-Novation, NL alexander.henket@enovation.nl
  Alex de Jong Siemens, US alex.dejong@siemens.com
  Alex Zupan ItalTBS, IT alex.zupan@italtbs.com
  Ameet Pathak Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, US ameet_pathak@dfci.harvard.edu
  Amnon Shabo IBM, IL shabo@il.ibm.com
  Andrew McIntyre Medical Objects, AU andrew@medical-objects.com.au
  Andy Stechislin GordonPoint, CA andy.stechishin@gmail.com
  Anil Luthra Guidewire Architecture, US aluthra@guidewirearchitecture.com
  Ann Wrightson NHS Wales, UK ann.wrightson@wales.nhs.uk
  Bill Friggic Sanofi Aventis, US william.friggic@sanofi-aventis.com
  Brian Pech KP, US brian.pech@kp.org
  Bruce McKinnon JassCo, CA bruce.mckinnon@jassco.ca
  Charlie McCay Ramsey, UK charlie@ramseysystems.com
  Chirag Bhatt FEI Systems, US chirag.bhatt@feisystems.com
  Chris Winters Vocollect Healthcare Systems, Inc., US cwinters@healthcare.vocollect.com
  Dave Barnet NHS, UK david.barnet@nhs.net
  David Rowed Ocean Informatics, AU david.rowed@oceaninformatics.com
  Diane Gutiw SAIC, US gutiwd@saic.com
  Duana Bender Mohawk College, CA duane.bender@mohawkcollege.ca
  Ed Larsen Larsen Inc., US e.laresen@ix.netcom.com
  Ernst de Bel UMCN, NL e.debel@ic.umcn.nl
  Ewout Kramer Furore, NL e.kramer@furore.com
  Gordon Raup Carefacts, US graup@carefacts.com
  Grahame Grieve AU grahameg@gmail.com
  Hugh Glover BlueWave Informatics, UK hugh_glover@bluewaveinformatics.co.uk
  Ilia Fortunov Microsoft, US iliaf@microsoft.com
  John Finbraaten Marshfield Clinic, US finbraaten.john@marshfieldclinic.org
  John Harvey Iatric, US john.harvey@iatric.com
  John Koisch Guidewire Architecture, CA jkoisch@guidewirearchitecture.com
  John Timm IBM, US johntimm@us.ibm.com
  John Ulmer ??, US johnu@clemson.edu
  Kai Heitmann Heitmann Consulting, DE hl7@kheitmann.de
  Kenneth Weng CareFx, US kweng@carefx.com
  Lyssa Neel Infoway, CA pneel@infoway.ca
  Lorraine Constable CA lorraine@constable.ca
  Marilyn Maguire Fuji Med, US marilyn.maguire@fujimed.com
  Mario Roy Iatric, US mario.roy@iatric.com
  Mark Bevivino Iatric, US markb@iatric.com
  Mark Shafarman Shafarman Consulting, US mark.shafarman@earthlink.net
  Mark Tucker Regenstrief, US mtucker@regenstrief.org
  Massimo Frossi Ital TBS, IT massimo.frossi@italtbs.com
  Michael van der Zel Groningen University Hospital,
and Results4Care, NL		 m.van.der.zel@ict.umcg.nl
  Mike Rossman KP, US michael.j.rossman@kp.org
  Muhammad Afzal SEECS, PK muhammad.afzal@seecs.edu.pk
  Paul Boyes Guidewire Architecture, CA pboyes@guidewirearchitecture.com
  Peter Hendler KP, US peter@hendler.net
X Rene Spronk Ringholm, NL rene.spronk@ringholm.com
  Richard Kronstad Carefacts rkronstad@carefacts.com
  Rik Smithies NHS, UK rik@nprogram.co.uk
  Robert Worden Charteris, US robert.worden@charteris.com
  Sean Muir VA, US sean.muir@va.gov
  Scott Parkey Axolotl, US sparkey@axolotl.com
  Stacy Berger COH sberger@coh.org
  Steve Fine Cerner, US sfine@cerner.com
  Tessa van Stijn Nictiz, NL stijn@nictiz.nl
  Tim Dodd CA tim.dodd@health.gov.sk.ca
  Tod Ryal Cerner, US tryal@cerner.com
  Yunwei Wang Siemens, US yunwei.wang@siemens.com
  Zhijing Liu Siemens, US zhijing.liu@siemens.com
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