Latest revision as of 16:43, 30 July 2010

M&M Conference Call Noon Eastern Time (Date above)

Attendees

Woody Beeler, Gregg Seppala, Austin Kreisler, Jean Duteau, Brian Pech, Ravi Natarajan, Lloyd McKenzie, Mead Walker

Agenda - Minutes

Approved (after amendment) Minutes from July 23

Agenda Harmonization Concerns

In order to meet schedule of R. Dolin will move the "CAUS" proposal to Tuesday, swapping it with the MIF- enumerations proposal. Also, will add a Technical Correction (forwarded by Seppala and Huang) to Q1 of Wednesday.

Agenda - Core Principles Reconciliation

Comment Grouping "GG" Neg

Twelve items, most "Neg-mi" that were missed before.

Item 101 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Woody/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Per the NOTE AT ITEM 172, the section Intro must be re-written, AND a new opening sentence crafted for this paragraph to become 6.1

Item 103 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Brian) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not Persuasive"

For the 4th bullet (Reduced processing time), being explicitly told to add, update or remove something can certainly result in less processing time than having to retrieve the previous version of the record, perform a field-by-field comparison and then make the determination of what changes to make (or have been made).

For the 5th bullet (simpler implementation decision making), the premise is the same. If the application is explicitly told what to do, then there's no need for sophisticated logic, for example "when do I treat omitted data as a request to delete vs. just as omitted data?"

Item 106 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Will make updateMode and snapshot mode sub-sections of update control.

Item 107 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

This table is OUT OF DATE, and the italics (which referred to as-yet-not-harmonizaed changes) should be dropped. I suggest REPLACE the table with a reference to the Vocabulary Content as :

../vocabulary/HL7UpdateMode.htm

ALSO, remove note 1 "Portions requiring harmonization proposals in italics"

in Notes, replace "R" with "R (Replace)"; replace "AR" with "AR (Add or Replace)"; replace "REF" with "REF (reference)"; replace "U" with "U (Unknown)".

Item 108 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Will change "types" to "classes".

Item 109 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Will fix.

Item 110 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Will include reference to abstract datatype specifications.

Item 111 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Will use "Update Mode" to refer to the concept and "updateMode" to refer to the datatype property and InfrastructureRoot attribute.

Item 147 (GG Neg-Mj) (Lloyd/Jean) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Lloyd will attempt to modify this note to clarify the distinctions noted by the voter.

Item 219 (GG Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Change to "but it is acceptable for the data content to not conform to the narrow value domain provided that the instance explicitly declares that it does not conform by declaring a null flavor."

Item 227 (GWB-GG Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Change included in item 37.

Item 228 (GG Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Move 4th paragraph to chapter 6, reassign this comment to 6, in chapter 6 add caveat regarding partial updates from multiple sources, add forward reference to chapter 6 to the end of 3rd paragraph.

Comment Grouping "GG" Not designated

Four items, with no vote designation. Treat as "Neg-mi" or "A-T".

Item 158 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Assume this was Neg-Mi.

Will remove the extra wording

Item 159 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Assume this was Neg-Mi.

Will remove the extra wording

Item 160 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Jean) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Assume this was Neg-Mi.

Agree this needs to be re-worded. However, it needs to be clarified that it only applies to the "primary" identifier for a record. I.e. An identifier on the root class. It is perfectly legitimate to add and remove other identifiers. For example, changing identifiers captured on Entity when the root class is Role.

Item 161 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Jean) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Change

Comment Grouping "GG " A-

Five items, with designation "A-*".

Item 102 (GG/LM A-T) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Remove stutter

Item 104 (GG/LM A-S) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Believe should be: "Typically requires more effort for the source system"

Item 105 (GG/LM A-T) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

The brackets will be removed and it will be turned into a reference - which means we need to add a section that defines "constraining model".

Item 112 (GG/LM A-T) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Will fix.

Item 113 (GG/LM A-C) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Will make both "BAG".

Adjournment

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+Woody Beeler, Gregg Seppala, Austin Kreisler, Jean Duteau, Brian Pech, Ravi Natarajan, Lloyd McKenzie, Mead Walker
 =Agenda - Minutes=
-Approve [[MnM_Minutes_CC_20100723| Minutes Prior Meeting on July 23]]
+Approved (after amendment)  [[MnM_Minutes_CC_20100723| Minutes from July 23]]
-=Agenda Harmonization Concerns (if any)=
+=Agenda Harmonization Concerns =
+In order to meet schedule of R. Dolin will move the "CAUS" proposal to Tuesday, swapping it with the MIF- enumerations proposal.  Also, will add a Technical Correction (forwarded by Seppala and Huang) to Q1 of Wednesday.
 =Agenda - Core Principles Reconciliation=
-==Working document==
-The working document is the [UrlForReconciliationSpreadSheet reconciliation spreadsheet] posted on HL7 Ballot Desktop.  Items are collected by the entries on the "Comment Grouping" column.
 ==Comment Grouping "GG*" Neg*==
 Twelve items, most "Neg-mi" that were missed before.
-===Item 101 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 101 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Woody/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Per the NOTE AT ITEM 172, the section Intro must be re-written, AND a new opening sentence crafted for this paragraph to become 6.1
-===Item 103 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 103 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Brian) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not Persuasive"=====
 For the 4th bullet (Reduced processing time), being explicitly told to add, update or remove something can certainly result in less processing time than having to retrieve the previous version of the record, perform a field-by-field comparison and then make the determination of what changes to make (or have been made).
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 For the 5th bullet (simpler implementation decision making), the premise is the same.  If the application is explicitly told what to do, then there's no need for sophisticated logic, for example "when do I treat omitted data as a request to delete vs. just as omitted data?"
-===Item 106 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 106 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Will make updateMode and snapshot mode sub-sections of update control.
-===Item 107 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 107 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"=====
 This table is OUT OF DATE, and the italics (which referred to as-yet-not-harmonizaed changes) should be dropped.  I suggest REPLACE the table with a reference to the Vocabulary Content as :
@@ Line 47: / Line 45: @@
 in Notes, replace "R" with "R (Replace)"; replace "AR" with "AR (Add or Replace)"; replace "REF" with "REF (reference)"; replace "U" with "U (Unknown)".
-===Item 108 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 108 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Will change "types" to "classes".
-===Item 109 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 109 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Will fix.
-===Item 110 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 110 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Will include reference to abstract datatype specifications.
-===Item 111 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 111 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Will use "Update Mode" to refer to the concept and "updateMode" to refer to the datatype property and InfrastructureRoot attribute.
-===Item 147 (GG Neg-Mj) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 147 (GG Neg-Mj) (Lloyd/Jean) 7/0/0===
-=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "0"=====
+=====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"=====
-Lloyd: Not sure what to do here.  Implied and platform-specific have nothing to do with each other, so obviously the reader isn't getting this at all.  We may want to look at re-wording the section to provide some clarity.  Alternatively, the example might do the trick.
+Lloyd will attempt to modify this note to clarify the distinctions noted by the voter.
-===Item 219 (GG Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 219 (GG Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Change to "but it is acceptable for the data content to not conform to the narrow value domain provided that the instance explicitly declares that it does not conform by declaring a null flavor."
-===Item 227 (GWB-GG Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 227 (GWB-GG Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"=====
 Change included in item 37.
-===Item 228 (GG Neg-Mi) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 228 (GG Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"=====
 Move 4th paragraph  to chapter 6, reassign this comment to 6, in chapter 6 add caveat regarding partial updates from multiple sources, add forward reference to chapter 6 to the end of 3rd paragraph.
@@ Line 82: / Line 80: @@
 Four items, with no vote designation. Treat as "Neg-mi" or "A-T".
-===Item 158 (GG 0) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 158 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Assume this was Neg-Mi.
@@ Line 88: / Line 86: @@
 Will remove the extra wording
-===Item 159 (GG 0) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 159 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Assume this was Neg-Mi.
@@ Line 94: / Line 92: @@
 Will remove the extra wording
-===Item 160 (GG 0) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 160 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Jean) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"=====
 Assume this was Neg-Mi.
@@ Line 100: / Line 98: @@
 Agree this needs to be re-worded.  However, it needs to be clarified that it only applies to the "primary" identifier for a record.  I.e. An identifier on the root class.  It is perfectly legitimate to add and remove other identifiers.  For example, changing identifiers captured on Entity when the root class is Role.
-===Item 161 (GG 0) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 161 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Jean) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Change
@@ Line 107: / Line 105: @@
 Five items, with designation "A-*".
-===Item 102 (GG/LM A-T) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 102 (GG/LM A-T) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"=====
 Remove stutter
-===Item 104 (GG/LM A-S) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 104 (GG/LM A-S) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"=====
 Believe should be:
 "Typically requires more effort for the source system"
-===Item 105 (GG/LM A-T) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 105 (GG/LM A-T) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"=====
 The brackets will be removed and it will be turned into a reference - which means we need to add a section that defines "constraining model".
-===Item 112 (GG/LM A-T) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 112 (GG/LM A-T) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Will fix.
-===Item 113 (GG/LM A-C) (mv/sc) 0/0/0===
+===Item 113 (GG/LM A-C) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0===
 =====Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"=====
 Will make both "BAG".
-=Other=
-{{:MnM Action Items from 201005}}
 ==Adjournment==
+At 12:30 EDT

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Latest revision as of 16:43, 30 July 2010

Contents

Attendees

Agenda - Minutes

Agenda Harmonization Concerns

Agenda - Core Principles Reconciliation

Comment Grouping "GG*" Neg*

Item 101 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Woody/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 103 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Brian) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Not Persuasive"

Item 106 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 107 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Item 108 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 109 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 110 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 111 (GG/LM Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 147 (GG Neg-Mj) (Lloyd/Jean) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Item 219 (GG Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 227 (GWB-GG Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Item 228 (GG Neg-Mi) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Comment Grouping "GG" Not designated

Item 158 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 159 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 160 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Jean) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Item 161 (GG 0) (Lloyd/Jean) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Comment Grouping "GG *" A-*

Item 102 (GG/LM A-T) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Item 104 (GG/LM A-S) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Item 105 (GG/LM A-T) (Lloyd/Ravi) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive with mod"

Item 112 (GG/LM A-T) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Item 113 (GG/LM A-C) (Lloyd/Mead) 7/0/0

Disposition & Disposition Comment - "Persuasive"

Adjournment

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