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=Attendees=
 
=Attendees=
 
* Melva Peters (Chair and Scribe)
 
* Melva Peters (Chair and Scribe)
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* Jean Duteau
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* Peter Sergent
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* Kai Heitmann
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* Min Doan
 
* Jean Duteau
 
* Jean Duteau
  
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** CodeableConcept - did not have a suggestion for what it should be bound to
 
** CodeableConcept - did not have a suggestion for what it should be bound to
 
** next call is next week - Peter will ask what they think it should be bound to
 
** next call is next week - Peter will ask what they think it should be bound to
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* July 30, 2018:  accepted position on dosage
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** asked further on multiple hierarchy - referred to chat pages - Need to find out more
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** in allergy/adverse event work done in UK - value sets include multiple hierarchies - more of a global issue that should be posed to FHIR-I
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Action:  Melva to [https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/9-committers/subject/Snomed.20on.20FHIR post question to Zulip] - complete
  
 
==MedicationKnowledge Resource==
 
==MedicationKnowledge Resource==
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** we have "serial number" in the batch attribute - could we change the name to "identifier"
 
** we have "serial number" in the batch attribute - could we change the name to "identifier"
 
** move the "serial number" to the top level and change to name to "identifier" - and change data type.  Will discuss with implementers before making change
 
** move the "serial number" to the top level and change to name to "identifier" - and change data type.  Will discuss with implementers before making change
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  Action:  talk to implementers about how they deal with this - Cerner, Epic, Vince  
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  Action:  talk to implementers about how they deal with this - Cerner, Epic, Vince - Melva to followup
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  Action:  talk to Jose
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  Action:  talk to Jose - Melva to followup
  
 
==FHIR==
 
==FHIR==
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===17222 - Review Pharmacy resources to see if requirements for Medical Gases are met===
 
===17222 - Review Pharmacy resources to see if requirements for Medical Gases are met===
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
 
  Action:  Melva to reach out to Anesthesia Co-Chairs to get material
 
  Action:  Melva to reach out to Anesthesia Co-Chairs to get material
  
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** Patient Care is debating whether instance is intending to be a specific instance or a more generic definition - GF#13698
 
** Patient Care is debating whether instance is intending to be a specific instance or a more generic definition - GF#13698
 
** continue the discussion for this tracker as part of MedicationKnowledge
 
** continue the discussion for this tracker as part of MedicationKnowledge
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
  
 
===15800 - scope and description for MedStatement===
 
===15800 - scope and description for MedStatement===
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* June 11, 2018: no discussion
 
* June 11, 2018: no discussion
 
* June 18, 2018: no discussion - will be discussed in the context of GF# 15105
 
* June 18, 2018: no discussion - will be discussed in the context of GF# 15105
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
  
 
===15772 - Definitions for identifiers in Pharmacy resources===
 
===15772 - Definitions for identifiers in Pharmacy resources===
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* June 11, 2018: no discussion
 
* June 11, 2018: no discussion
 
* June 18, 2018:
 
* June 18, 2018:
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
 
  Action:  review and compare definitions for identifiers on pharmacy resources
 
  Action:  review and compare definitions for identifiers on pharmacy resources
  
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* June 25, 2018: no discussion
 
* June 25, 2018: no discussion
 
* July 9, 2018: no discussion
 
* July 9, 2018: no discussion
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
  
 
===15105 - MedicationStatement - alignment with WorkFlow===
 
===15105 - MedicationStatement - alignment with WorkFlow===
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  Action:  Melva to followup with Lloyd on tracker item related to request for new value in intent and copy Michelle on email - complete
 
  Action:  Melva to followup with Lloyd on tracker item related to request for new value in intent and copy Michelle on email - complete
 
* July 9, 2018: no discussion
 
* July 9, 2018: no discussion
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
  
 
===12396 - Medication package and product===
 
===12396 - Medication package and product===
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* June 18, 2018: will be discussed with MedKnowledge
 
* June 18, 2018: will be discussed with MedKnowledge
 
* July 9, 2018: no discussion
 
* July 9, 2018: no discussion
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
  
 
===17435 - MedicationRequest: why are route and additionalInstruction part of the 0..* dosageInstruction===
 
===17435 - MedicationRequest: why are route and additionalInstruction part of the 0..* dosageInstruction===
 
* [https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=17435&start=0 route and additionalInstruction]
 
* [https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=17435&start=0 route and additionalInstruction]
 
** respond to tracker item with vaginal tablet/cream examples -added to tracker item
 
** respond to tracker item with vaginal tablet/cream examples -added to tracker item
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
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===17428 - Dosage datatype mentions obsolete datatype Schedule===
 
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* [https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=17428&start=0 Dosage Datatype]
 
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** need to change "schedule" to "timing" data type - Change to "this data type allows..."
 
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** Motion:  to change John Hatem/Jean Duteau:  5-0-0
 
  
 
===17411 - Add category property to allow representation of Therapeutic category===
 
===17411 - Add category property to allow representation of Therapeutic category===
 
* [https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=17411&start=0 Category Property]
 
* [https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=17411&start=0 Category Property]
 
* believe this is an extension as it is not part of the 80/20 for prescribing, dispensing, administering
 
* believe this is an extension as it is not part of the 80/20 for prescribing, dispensing, administering
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
 
  Action:  Ask John to join a Pharmacy WG Call to discuss further
 
  Action:  Ask John to join a Pharmacy WG Call to discuss further
  
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** update the usage notes for medication.amount - update definition - update how used with strength
 
** update the usage notes for medication.amount - update definition - update how used with strength
 
** continue discussion next week
 
** continue discussion next week
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
  
 
== Updates from Workflow==
 
== Updates from Workflow==
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* June 18, 2018: no meetings until July
 
* June 18, 2018: no meetings until July
 
* July 9, 2018: No participation through end of July from Pharmacy
 
* July 9, 2018: No participation through end of July from Pharmacy
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
  
 
== US Meds - PDMP Mapping==
 
== US Meds - PDMP Mapping==
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  Action: Melva to review email from Austin to determine what has to be done about other comments
 
  Action: Melva to review email from Austin to determine what has to be done about other comments
 
* July 9, 2018:  
 
* July 9, 2018:  
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
 
  Action:  Melva will followup with Brett on next steps
 
  Action:  Melva will followup with Brett on next steps
  
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** The are also seeking interested parties to use their resources in the next Connectathon
 
** The are also seeking interested parties to use their resources in the next Connectathon
 
* July 9, 2018: next meeting will be July 11th - no participation from Pharmacy through the end of July
 
* July 9, 2018: next meeting will be July 11th - no participation from Pharmacy through the end of July
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
  
 
==Blood Products/Transfusion/Tissue Update - Project 1370==
 
==Blood Products/Transfusion/Tissue Update - Project 1370==
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* June 25, 2018: Melva commented on O&O Zulip chat - no response
 
* June 25, 2018: Melva commented on O&O Zulip chat - no response
 
  Action:  Melva to followup with O&O - complete
 
  Action:  Melva to followup with O&O - complete
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* July 9, 2018:  We have worked on that in the IHE PaLM space and at this time decided to not expand the underlying HL& base standard messages for that project - the profile was published for comment twice - latest version is here:
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** July 9, 2018:  We have worked on that in the IHE PaLM space and at this time decided to not expand the underlying HL& base standard messages for that project - the profile was published for comment twice - latest version is here:
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**http://ihe.net/uploadedFiles/Documents/PaLM/IHE_PaLM_Suppl_TMA_Rev2.0_PC_2018-04-27.pdf  
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***http://ihe.net/uploadedFiles/Documents/PaLM/IHE_PaLM_Suppl_TMA_Rev2.0_PC_2018-04-27.pdf  
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*I have cced Dan Rutz, who has been heading the effort.
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***I have cced Dan Rutz, who has been heading the effort.
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* July 30, 2018: no discussion
  
 
==Pharmacy template ballot reconciliation==
 
==Pharmacy template ballot reconciliation==
 
* July 9, 2018 - will be working on this and will extend into August
 
* July 9, 2018 - will be working on this and will extend into August
 
* July 30, 2018 - 2 items to discuss - see attached spreadsheet
 
* July 30, 2018 - 2 items to discuss - see attached spreadsheet
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** [[File:CONSOLIDATED Ballotcomments_CDAR2_IG_PHARM_TEMPLATES_R1_D1_2018MAY.xls]]
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** [https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9umb8e1v1ybhpw/CONSOLIDATED%20Ballotcomments_CDAR2_IG_PHARM_TEMPLATES_R1_D1_2018MAY.xls?dl=0 Pharmacy Template Ballot Reconciliation Spreadsheet]
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** see proposed dispositions in updated spreadsheet
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Action:  Melva to reach out to submitters who wanted in person resolution - complete
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Action: Melva to reach out to submitter where we needed clarification - complete
  
 
==AOB==
 
==AOB==
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* Harmonization Proposals - will schedule for next weeks' call
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* none
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** no items from the Pharmacy perspective
 
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** Jean moved and Tim seconded - approve existing and will not attend harmonization call - 5-0-0
 
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Action:  Melva to send email to harmonization list after July 21st.
 
  
 
==Next meeting==
 
==Next meeting==
 
* August 6, 2018 at 4pm Eastern
 
* August 6, 2018 at 4pm Eastern

Latest revision as of 20:49, 30 July 2018

Attendees

  • Melva Peters (Chair and Scribe)
  • Jean Duteau
  • Peter Sergent
  • Kai Heitmann
  • Min Doan
  • Jean Duteau

Agenda Items and notes

Use of Confluence

  • further discussion after review done by Co-chairs

SNOMED on FHIR teleconference calls

  • Every other Tuesday - June 23rd at 4pm Eastern
  • July 9, 2018: Peter Sergent attended recent call - 2 questions about MedAdmin
    • Is dosage going to be aligned with the complex type used in Medication Statement?
    • They are concerned that the reason was non administration is bound to different Snomed hierarchies
    • have discussed in the past - because MedAdmin is different - have previously discussed not to change
    • CodeableConcept - did not have a suggestion for what it should be bound to
    • next call is next week - Peter will ask what they think it should be bound to
  • July 30, 2018: accepted position on dosage
    • asked further on multiple hierarchy - referred to chat pages - Need to find out more
    • in allergy/adverse event work done in UK - value sets include multiple hierarchies - more of a global issue that should be posed to FHIR-I
Action:  Melva to post question to Zulip - complete

MedicationKnowledge Resource

  • July 9, 2018:
    • on the Zulip chat - how to reflect an instance of a medication - Medication resource does not have an identifier - intentionally left out - not part of the 80/20 - would use a code
    • need to answer the question about why there is no identifier on medication - identifies an instance of a "thing" - we have a code (which identifies the "kind" of thing)
    • use case - may be for a "bar code" on an IV bag -
    • we have "serial number" in the batch attribute - could we change the name to "identifier"
    • move the "serial number" to the top level and change to name to "identifier" - and change data type. Will discuss with implementers before making change
Action:  talk to implementers about how they deal with this - Cerner, Epic, Vince  - Melva to followup
Action:  talk to Jose - Melva to followup

FHIR

Open Pharmacy FHIR Tracker Items

17222 - Review Pharmacy resources to see if requirements for Medical Gases are met

  • July 30, 2018: no discussion
Action:  Melva to reach out to Anesthesia Co-Chairs to get material

16042 - Add attribute to indicate type of drug

  • this is part of medicationKnowledge and formulary
  • June 11, 2018: no discussion
  • June 18, 2018: will be discussed as changes to MedKnowledge.productType
  • June 25, 2018: for incident reporting - could use AdverseEvent - references medication, medicationAdministration, MedicationStatement
    • Patient Care is debating whether instance is intending to be a specific instance or a more generic definition - GF#13698
    • continue the discussion for this tracker as part of MedicationKnowledge
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion

15800 - scope and description for MedStatement

  • June 4, 2018: no discussion
  • June 11, 2018: no discussion
  • June 18, 2018: no discussion - will be discussed in the context of GF# 15105
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion

15772 - Definitions for identifiers in Pharmacy resources

  • June 4, 2018: no discussion
  • June 11, 2018: no discussion
  • June 18, 2018:
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion
Action:  review and compare definitions for identifiers on pharmacy resources

15509 - Create example scenarios for Pharmacy

  • Create example scenarios for Pharmacy
  • need to draft some scenarios
  • April 16, 2018: no discussion
  • May 7, 2018: no discussion
  • June 4, 2018: no discussion
  • June 11, 2018: no discussion
  • June 18, 2018: no discussion
  • June 25, 2018: no discussion
  • July 9, 2018: no discussion
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion

15105 - MedicationStatement - alignment with WorkFlow

    • notTaken was removed
    • need to consider how to reflect what the prescriber thinks should be taken by the patient - is this a medStatement or is this a MedRequest?
  • Lloyd believes should be using a MedRequest with a "plan" status
  • Choices:
    • take MedStatement back to the way it was
    • US Core - embrace List
    • follow Lloyd's suggestion to use MedRequest with "Plan" status
    • use status field to identify if a prescriber believes the patient should be on this med and uses taken element to identify if the patient is following the order and taking the medication - could previous do this before we aligned MedStatement with workflow
  • March 5, 2018: - deferred until March 12, 2018
    • Ask Lloyd to join call - complete - he can't join on March 12. Need to provide an update to him
  • March 12, 2018:
    • Lloyd believes that MedStatement should only be an indicator of whether the patient/provider says they are taking the medication
    • Options:
      • revert back to having "notTaken"(pre workflow harmonization)
      • provider instructions for medication - should use MedicationRequest - with intent element
      • implement List resources to get active medication list - not preferred
      • current resource with "not taken" as a status - not preferred
    • Need to take this conversation more public -
      • Workflow group - Melva to ask Lloyd to add to Workflow agenda
      • Zulip - posting to Zulip
        • add Workflow discussion
  • April 16, 2018: no discussion
  • April 23, 2018:
  • April 30, 2018
  • June 4, 2018: no discussion
  • June 11, 2018: no discussion
  • June 18, 2018: waiting for feedback from Lloyd on whether new value will be added to "intent" value set
  • June 25, 2018: Michelle to send notes from meeting in Cologne with Lloyd
Action:  Melva to followup with Lloyd on tracker item related to request for new value in intent and copy Michelle on email - complete
  • July 9, 2018: no discussion
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion

12396 - Medication package and product

  • Medication package and product
  • April 9, 2018 - brought back to discuss
  • April 16, 2018 - no discussion
  • April 23, 2018: no discussion
  • April 30, 2018:
  • May 7, 2018:
  • June 4, 2018: no discussion
  • June 11, 2018: no discussion
  • June 18, 2018: will be discussed with MedKnowledge
  • July 9, 2018: no discussion
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion

17435 - MedicationRequest: why are route and additionalInstruction part of the 0..* dosageInstruction

17411 - Add category property to allow representation of Therapeutic category

  • Category Property
  • believe this is an extension as it is not part of the 80/20 for prescribing, dispensing, administering
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion
Action:  Ask John to join a Pharmacy WG Call to discuss further

17375 - Medication.quantity refers to "package" and "packaged product"

  • Medication.quantity
    • need to update the definition -
    • change the Ingredient.amount - to medication.ingredient.strength - need to update the definition to clarify
    • update the usage notes for medication.amount - update definition - update how used with strength
    • continue discussion next week
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion

Updates from Workflow

  • April 23, 2018: meeting held today
    • Workflow issues - Lloyd will be fixing the report and re-issuing
    • MedicationDispense.statusReason - is okay that this will be either a reference or a CodeableConcept - will not be added to the pattern for event
  • April 30, 2018: reviewed tracker items. nothing specific to pharmacy
  • May 7, 2018: reviewed tracker items during Workflow meetings. No specific pharmacy issues.
  • June 4, 1018: no updates
  • June 11, 2018: no updates
  • June 18, 2018: no meetings until July
  • July 9, 2018: No participation through end of July from Pharmacy
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion

US Meds - PDMP Mapping

  • work on GitHub
  • April 16, 2018: In ballot - no discussion until after ballot close
    • will be on the agenda for WGM or subsequent teleconference
  • April 23, 2018: no discussion
  • April 30, 2018: no discussion
  • May 7, 2018:
  • June 4, 1018: Block vote
    • Comment Submitters
      • Arvind Jagannathan
      • Jose Costa Teixeira
      • Mark Cacciapouti
      • Michele Hudak
      • Ruth Berge
      • Scott Robertson
      • Thomson Kuhn
      • William Goossen
    • Line Items
      • 17196 Agree with approach - 2018-May Medication #23 (Jose Costa Teixeira) Considered - No action required
      • 16326 NCPDP mapping (Scott Robertson) Considered - Question Answered
      • 16327 Ballot name and link (Scott Robertson) Considered - Question Answered
      • 16629 Confirm if SSN is only identifier - 2018-May Medication #4 (Michele Hudak) Considered - Question Answered
      • 16032 Link is incorrect (Ruth Berge) Not Persuasive
      • 16093 Use indicator (Ruth Berge) Not Persuasive
      • 16094 Medicinal Product use indicator (Ruth Berge) Not Persuasive
      • 17197 Seems not to adhere to the Identification of Medicinal Products IDMP from ISO. - 2018-May Medication #24 (William Goossen) Not Related
      • 16091 garbled text in table legends (Ruth Berge) Persuasive
      • 16625 Remove specific call-out of Opioid abuse - 2018-May Medication #2 (Michele Hudak) Persuasive
      • 16626 Drop phrase %27any%27 on controlled substance - 2018-May Medication #3 (Michele Hudak) Persuasive
      • 16636 Did you actually mean MedicationStatement here when you wrote MedicationRequest%3F - 2018-May Medication #6 (Arvind Jagannathan) Persuasive
      • 16639 Reword this sentence within the PDMP section. - 2018-May Medication #7 (Arvind Jagannathan) Persuasive
      • 16642 Just a typo correction within the PDMP section. - 2018-May Medication #8 (Arvind Jagannathan) Persuasive
      • 16645 Change the format of the header for the PDMP Data Elements and Mappings section to properly show this is a new major section of this page. - 2018-May Medication #9 (Arvind Jagannathan) Persuasive
      • 16648 Provide a link to the FHIR RESTful specification within the CapabilityStatement description. - 2018-May Medication #10 (Arvind Jagannathan) Persuasive
      • 17161 “asterisk” misspelt - 2018-May Medication #20 (Thomson Kuhn) Persuasive
      • 17162 What is the meaning of the asterisk for this element. - 2018-May Medication #21 (Thomson Kuhn) Persuasive
      • 17195 Patient Profile Search Requirements - 2018-May Medication #22 (Mark Cacciapouti) Persuasive
      • 16623 Update reference to Opioids - 2018-May Medication #1 (Michele Hudak) Persuasive with Mod
      • 16624 Update reference to Opioids - 2018-May Medication #1 (Michele Hudak) Persuasive with Mod
      • 16633 Make the scope statement include the Argonaut Project scope statement for convenience. - 2018-May Medication #5 (Arvind Jagannathan) Persuasive with Mod

Block Vote

  • have posted the block vote for 2 weeks - no requests to pull
  • Motion by Brett - Dragan to approved disposition based on block vote and published spreadsheet - 7/0/0
Action: Brett to update Gforge 
Action: Melva to get spreadsheet extracted and posted on Ballot reconciliation
Action:  Melva to send Brett vote - complete
  • June 11, 2018
    • Missed 2 tracker items in block vote - belong to a different ballot - have been forwarded
      • 16032 Link is incorrect
      • 16094 Medicinal Product use indicator
    • Motion to find these two comments "not related" - Jean/Brett - 4-0-0 Carried
Action: Melva to review email from Austin to determine what has to be done about other comments
  • July 9, 2018:
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion
Action:  Melva will followup with Brett on next steps

Catalogue Project

  • April 9, 2018: all Catalogue project meetings cancelled until after HL7 Workgroup meeting in Cologne
  • April 23, 2018: no updates
  • April 30, 2018: no meetings until after Cologne WGM
  • May 7, 2018: no discussion
  • June 4, 1018: no updates
  • June 11, 2018: no updates
  • June 18, 2018: meetings have been held but John hasn't been able to attend.
  • June 25, 2018: they are finalizing the resources for their meetings with FMG and the September WGM.
    • The resources they are working on include Entry Definition.
    • The are also seeking interested parties to use their resources in the next Connectathon
  • July 9, 2018: next meeting will be July 11th - no participation from Pharmacy through the end of July
  • July 30, 2018: no discussion

Blood Products/Transfusion/Tissue Update - Project 1370

  • May 7, 2018: no discussion
  • June 4, 1018: no updates
Action: Melva to follow up with O&O
  • June 11, 2018: no updates
  • June 18, 2018: There is a draft resource - Biologically derived project
Action:  Melva to followup with O&O
  • June 25, 2018: Melva commented on O&O Zulip chat - no response
Action:  Melva to followup with O&O - complete

Pharmacy template ballot reconciliation

Action:  Melva to reach out to submitters who wanted in person resolution - complete
Action: Melva to reach out to submitter where we needed clarification - complete

AOB

  • none

Next meeting

  • August 6, 2018 at 4pm Eastern
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