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===Agenda===
 
===Agenda===
 
*Agenda review
 
*Agenda review
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*Approve Minutes of [[2017-MM-DD_SGB_Conference_Call]]
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*Approve Minutes of [[2017-08-16_SGB_Conference_Call]]
 
*Action Items
 
*Action Items
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**All to review tooling document and tooling inventory
 +
**Paul to reach out to EST cochairs regarding meeting on Friday in San Diego
 +
**Anne to coordinate DJ and Laura calling in on Friday Q2 meeting
 +
**Add advisory/executive management discussion to PLA agenda on Friday and joint FGB/SGB session agenda
 
*Discussion Topics
 
*Discussion Topics
 +
**Pursuant to a request from the SGB re: Substantivity, the V2 Methodology WG has updated the V2 substantive change document, submitted for review by the ARB, and presents to SGB for approval. https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/inm_messaging/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2FHL7%2520Version%25202%2520Substantive%2520Change.doc <br/> We would like to publish it to  HL7 as soon as possible because the current document which dates to May 2009 -http://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/arb/Substantive%20Change%2009.05.02.doc is woefully inadequate.
 +
**ARB has asked SGB to join this project. https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/arbgeneral/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2FEnhancement_of_hl7_standards_grid_PSS.docx
 +
**San Diego agenda
 
*Parking Lot
 
*Parking Lot
 +
**Paul to finish detailed list of 23 items for FHIR ballot that were approved by WG to be STUs
 +
**Paul to draft a precept on state machine alignment
 +
**Paul to find principles document and write precept on mixed ballot content
 +
**Draft precept on use of new tools/coordinate with Wayne
 +
**Review Publishing M&C updates regarding dual roles
 +
**Write/post precept on vitality assessment
 +
**Next steps on Substantivity (from ARB)
 +
**How do we deal with making sure that WGs involve those whose content domain they’re touching? (CIMI and Pharmacy and Lab models)
 +
**Review Mission and Charter
 +
**PSS approval process: managing unresponsive parties - propose new precept to TSC
 +
**Handling situations where two documents come out of one project
 +
**[http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=FHIR_Product_Director_Page FHIR Product Director Position Description]: we should 1) review further and draft feedback, then 2) map back the description to the role of FGB
 +
**Drafting Shared Product Management Responsibilities
 +
**Vocabulary precepts
 +
**General precepts
 +
***Precept around training WGs in CDA methodology and management principles
 +
**Levels of standards
 +
**Separation of concerns
 +
**Ownership of content
 +
**ISM
 +
**Ask methodology groups to define how the definition of substantive change applies to their product family; management groups must then operationalize
 +
*Agenda items for San Diego
 +
**Re-appointments to SGB
 +
  
 
===Minutes===
 
===Minutes===
−
 
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*Agenda review -
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*Approve Minutes of [[2017-08-16_SGB_Conference_Call]] - Thom/Tony moved and seconded, unanimously approved
 +
*Action Items
 +
**All to review tooling document and tooling inventory - product families should provide tooling requirements; need to offer guidance in support of that; some discussion ensued. Need to maintain governance perspective and not get into management.
 +
**Paul to reach out to EST cochairs regarding meeting on Friday in San Diego - has not yet done that
 +
**Anne to coordinate DJ and Laura calling in on Friday Q2 meeting
 +
**Add advisory/executive management discussion to PLA agenda on Friday and joint FGB/SGB session agenda -
 +
***pursuant to continuing the FGB group; the work that FGB has been doing is not considered sufficiently governance-related. There may be a need for an FHIR advisory/executive body over the management group. When the group has become more steady-state such a need would abate. Need to touch base with Wayne and Grahame. Also should introduce the topic to PLA as well. Call scheduled for the 25th; Paul will reach out.
 +
***Also Need to clarify roles with respect to PLA as well.
 +
*Discussion Topics
 +
**Pursuant to a request from the SGB re: Substantivity, the V2 Methodology WG has updated the V2 substantive change document, submitted for review by the ARB, and presents to SGB for approval. https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/inm_messaging/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2FHL7%2520Version%25202%2520Substantive%2520Change.doc <br/> We would like to publish it to HL7 as soon as possible because the current document which dates to May 2009 -http://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/arb/Substantive%20Change%2009.05.02.doc is woefully inadequate.
 +
***edits discussed and reference to other product families' definitions and examples of substantive change such as V3 has published. SGB still working towards boilerplate that can be applied to all the product families. Should take this back to review the boilerplate for family-specific examples. Add to the Friday WGM agendaSubstantivity guidance could be added to the reconciliation documentation.  and create a feedback loop to add to the examples. Need a permalink for direction to canonical and exemplar documents on substantive change. Tony will request from HQ. Need to relate to backwards compatibility as well. V2 has a premise on backwards compatibility, V3 does not. FHIR will have such expectation for backwards compatibility with the normative release.
 +
***Tony moves approval and Sandy seconds; unanimously approved. 
 +
***add to agenda discussion of backwards compatibility consistency and definition across families. Tony will describe backwards compatibility in V2 as starting point.
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**ARB has asked SGB to join this project. https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/arbgeneral/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2FEnhancement_of_hl7_standards_grid_PSS.docx
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***Sandy describes the relation to the exercise to review the WG Mission and Charter documents
 +
***Calvin suggests a usability study might identify additional changes. He cites examples of sitting a user in front of the PC and asking them to "find this".
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***Minor edits proposed. Calvin moves approval, seconded by Sandy. Unanimously approved.
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**San Diego agenda -
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***add substantivity definition boilerplate review WRT the V2 document.
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***discussion of backwards compatibility consistency and definition across families
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***add vocabulary interoperability discussion topic
 +
*Being at time, postpone remainder to next week
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adjourned 11:02 AM
  
  
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© 2017 Health Level Seven® International.  All rights reserved
 
© 2017 Health Level Seven® International.  All rights reserved

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HL7 SGB Minutes

Location:
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/538465637

Date: 2017-08-23
Time: 10:00 AM Eastern
Facilitator Paul/Calvin Note taker(s) Lynn
Attendee Name


x Calvin Beebe
regrets Lorraine Constable
Russ Hamm
x Tony Julian
x Paul Knapp
Austin Kreisler
Wayne Kubick
x Thom Kuhn
Ken McCaslin
Rik Smithies
x Sandy Stuart
Quorum: Chair + 4

Agenda

  • Agenda review
  • Approve Minutes of 2017-08-16_SGB_Conference_Call
  • Action Items
    • All to review tooling document and tooling inventory
    • Paul to reach out to EST cochairs regarding meeting on Friday in San Diego
    • Anne to coordinate DJ and Laura calling in on Friday Q2 meeting
    • Add advisory/executive management discussion to PLA agenda on Friday and joint FGB/SGB session agenda
  • Discussion Topics
  • Parking Lot
    • Paul to finish detailed list of 23 items for FHIR ballot that were approved by WG to be STUs
    • Paul to draft a precept on state machine alignment
    • Paul to find principles document and write precept on mixed ballot content
    • Draft precept on use of new tools/coordinate with Wayne
    • Review Publishing M&C updates regarding dual roles
    • Write/post precept on vitality assessment
    • Next steps on Substantivity (from ARB)
    • How do we deal with making sure that WGs involve those whose content domain they’re touching? (CIMI and Pharmacy and Lab models)
    • Review Mission and Charter
    • PSS approval process: managing unresponsive parties - propose new precept to TSC
    • Handling situations where two documents come out of one project
    • FHIR Product Director Position Description: we should 1) review further and draft feedback, then 2) map back the description to the role of FGB
    • Drafting Shared Product Management Responsibilities
    • Vocabulary precepts
    • General precepts
      • Precept around training WGs in CDA methodology and management principles
    • Levels of standards
    • Separation of concerns
    • Ownership of content
    • ISM
    • Ask methodology groups to define how the definition of substantive change applies to their product family; management groups must then operationalize
  • Agenda items for San Diego
    • Re-appointments to SGB


Minutes

  • Agenda review -
  • Approve Minutes of 2017-08-16_SGB_Conference_Call - Thom/Tony moved and seconded, unanimously approved
  • Action Items
    • All to review tooling document and tooling inventory - product families should provide tooling requirements; need to offer guidance in support of that; some discussion ensued. Need to maintain governance perspective and not get into management.
    • Paul to reach out to EST cochairs regarding meeting on Friday in San Diego - has not yet done that
    • Anne to coordinate DJ and Laura calling in on Friday Q2 meeting
    • Add advisory/executive management discussion to PLA agenda on Friday and joint FGB/SGB session agenda -
      • pursuant to continuing the FGB group; the work that FGB has been doing is not considered sufficiently governance-related. There may be a need for an FHIR advisory/executive body over the management group. When the group has become more steady-state such a need would abate. Need to touch base with Wayne and Grahame. Also should introduce the topic to PLA as well. Call scheduled for the 25th; Paul will reach out.
      • Also Need to clarify roles with respect to PLA as well.
  • Discussion Topics
    • Pursuant to a request from the SGB re: Substantivity, the V2 Methodology WG has updated the V2 substantive change document, submitted for review by the ARB, and presents to SGB for approval. https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/inm_messaging/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2FHL7%2520Version%25202%2520Substantive%2520Change.doc
      We would like to publish it to HL7 as soon as possible because the current document which dates to May 2009 -http://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/arb/Substantive%20Change%2009.05.02.doc is woefully inadequate.
      • edits discussed and reference to other product families' definitions and examples of substantive change such as V3 has published. SGB still working towards boilerplate that can be applied to all the product families. Should take this back to review the boilerplate for family-specific examples. Add to the Friday WGM agendaSubstantivity guidance could be added to the reconciliation documentation. and create a feedback loop to add to the examples. Need a permalink for direction to canonical and exemplar documents on substantive change. Tony will request from HQ. Need to relate to backwards compatibility as well. V2 has a premise on backwards compatibility, V3 does not. FHIR will have such expectation for backwards compatibility with the normative release.
      • Tony moves approval and Sandy seconds; unanimously approved.
      • add to agenda discussion of backwards compatibility consistency and definition across families. Tony will describe backwards compatibility in V2 as starting point.
    • ARB has asked SGB to join this project. https://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/arbgeneral/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2FEnhancement_of_hl7_standards_grid_PSS.docx
      • Sandy describes the relation to the exercise to review the WG Mission and Charter documents
      • Calvin suggests a usability study might identify additional changes. He cites examples of sitting a user in front of the PC and asking them to "find this".
      • Minor edits proposed. Calvin moves approval, seconded by Sandy. Unanimously approved.
    • San Diego agenda -
      • add substantivity definition boilerplate review WRT the V2 document.
      • discussion of backwards compatibility consistency and definition across families
      • add vocabulary interoperability discussion topic
  • Being at time, postpone remainder to next week

adjourned 11:02 AM


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