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2017 – CBCC WGM
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==2017 – CBCC Working Group Meeting, Madrid Spain==
CBCC Monday Q3
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===CBCC Monday Q3===
 
Attendees:
 
Attendees:
David Pyke (david.pyke@readycomputing.com)
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* David Pyke (david.pyke@readycomputing.com)
Danielle Friend (dfriend@epic.com)
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* Danielle Friend (dfriend@epic.com)
Ardon Toonstra (a.Toonstra@furore.com
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* Ardon Toonstra (a.Toonstra@furore.com
Trish Williams (patricia.williams@flinders.edu.au)
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* Trish Williams (patricia.williams@flinders.edu.au)
John Moehrke (johnmoehrke@gmail.com)
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* John Moehrke (johnmoehrke@gmail.com)
Alexander Mense (mense@technikum-wien.at)
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* Alexander Mense (mense@technikum-wien.at)
Bernd Blobel (bernd.blobel@klinik.uni-regensburg.de)
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* Bernd Blobel (bernd.blobel@klinik.uni-regensburg.de)
  
Agenda:
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'''Agenda:'''
CBCC & Security Reports Out
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CBCC & Security Report Out
International Reports Out
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International Report Out
  
CBCC Report Out
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'''CBCC Report Out'''
  
 
SPIA Continues to be stalled until Mike Davis or appointee can take over as editor
 
SPIA Continues to be stalled until Mike Davis or appointee can take over as editor
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John Moehrke willing to be responsible for SPIA.  Talk to Mike Davis to have it turned over or at least the most recent version submitted to the committee.
 
John Moehrke willing to be responsible for SPIA.  Talk to Mike Davis to have it turned over or at least the most recent version submitted to the committee.
  
FHIR Consent
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'''FHIR Consent'''
  
*Consent to share as stable as possible
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* Consent to share as stable as possible
*Advance Directive showing promise with several directives able to be covered without significant change
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* Advance Directive showing promise with several directives able to be covered without significant change
*Research stalled without input from BRR.  DP to visit BRR to gain attendees
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* Research stalled without input from BRR.  DP to visit BRR to gain attendees
*Treatment in initial stages
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* Treatment in initial stages
  
*Workflow to be covered this week with FHIR-I including potential for a ConsentRequest resource for gaining consent where none currently exists
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* Workflow to be covered this week with FHIR-I including potential for a ConsentRequest resource for gaining consent where none currently exists
  
Security Report out
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'''Security Report out'''
  
*Reconciliation of trust framework specification – taking place later – dynamically creating trust frameworks (possibly via policy)
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* Reconciliation of trust framework specification – taking place later – dynamically creating trust frameworks (possibly via policy)
*Only defined trust elements and framework
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* Only defined trust elements and framework
*Selection of policies
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* Selection of policies
  
*FHIR Security
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'''FHIR Security'''
  
*Audit, Provenance, security labels Need test scenarios
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* Audit, Provenance, security labels Need test scenarios
*Some open issues
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* Some open issues
*Interest from use case regarding SUBSET regarding update  
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* Interest from use case regarding SUBSET regarding update  
*Two mechanisms – security tags and Summary
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* Two mechanisms – security tags and Summary
**How will server know if the push is the result of a subset, that missing are not to be removed – potential for profile/dynamic profile to manage
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** How will server know if the push is the result of a subset, that missing are not to be removed – potential for profile/dynamic profile to manage
*How to request SUBSET (e.g., w/o gender or race)
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* How to request SUBSET (e.g., w/o gender or race)
**If message with SUBSET, how would be dealt with
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** If message with SUBSET, how would be dealt with
**Redacted state for FHIR returned data  
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** Redacted state for FHIR returned data  
**Purpose of use is potential use case
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** Purpose of use is potential use case
**A profile that creates a subset is only one form of de-id, and that starts a bigger problem that may break profiles
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** A profile that creates a subset is only one form of de-id, and that starts a bigger problem that may break profiles
  
*FHIR Data model is limiting and causing profiles to break the model
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* FHIR Data model is limiting and causing profiles to break the model
**ICT ontology should be examined as an issue (Bernd)
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** ICT ontology should be examined as an issue (Bernd)
**SMART on FHIR and Oauth are moving into HL7.
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** SMART on FHIR and Oauth are moving into HL7.
**FHIR-I is hosting, but Security is asking for comment
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** FHIR-I is hosting, but Security is asking for comment
**Smart should not be seen as the one way.
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** Smart should not be seen as the one way.
**Some constraints are in there but the meet only a subset of FHIR use-cases
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** Some constraints are in there but the meet only a subset of FHIR use-cases
**Digital signature vocabulary only has ASTM as a source
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** Digital signature vocabulary only has ASTM as a source
**Use ASTM to add to vocab despite ASTM no longer meeting or use HL7 vocabulary
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** Use ASTM to add to vocab despite ASTM no longer meeting or use HL7 vocabulary
**DSG [IHE] is final text
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** DSG [IHE] is final text
  
  
International report out
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'''International report out'''
  
 
Some work concluded regarding specifications  
 
Some work concluded regarding specifications  
*ISO25237 Health info psuedonymisation
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* ISO25237 Health info Add to dictionary
**Approved IS which has been published.
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** Approved IS which has been published.
**Accepted for use by EU parliament
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** Accepted for use by EU parliament
**Guidance on health information education
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** Guidance on health information education
  
*ISO 21298 HI Functional and structural Roles
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* ISO 21298 HI Functional and structural Roles
**Organizational relationships
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** Organizational relationships
**Functional relationships
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** Functional relationships
**Global overview how assignments are in various countries
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** Global overview how assignments are in various countries
**Includes international coding
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** Includes international coding
  
 
*PKI 17090 Part 5 using PKI creds – Launched by Japan
 
*PKI 17090 Part 5 using PKI creds – Launched by Japan
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Attendees:
 
Attendees:
David Pyke
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* David Pyke, Co-chair
Ed Hammond
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*Ed Hammond
Hideyuki Miyohara
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*Hideyuki Miyohara
David Booth
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*David Booth
Richard Esmark
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*Richard Esmark
Trish Williams
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*Trish Williams
Alexander Mense
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*Alexander Mense
Mark Shafarman
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*Mark Shafarman
Pat Van Dyke
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*Pat Van Dyke
Steve Hofnagel
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*Steve Hofnagel
Gora Datta
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*Gora Datta
Bernd Blobel
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*Bernd Blobel
Kathleen Connor
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*Kathleen Connor
Stan Huff
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*Stan Huff
Susan Matney
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*Susan Matney
Galen Mulrooney
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*Galen Mulrooney
David Booth
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*David Booth
Claude Nanjo
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*Claude Nanjo
Lori Reed-Forquet
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*Lori Reed-Forquet
Nancy Orvis
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*Nancy Orvis
Muhammad Asim
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*Muhammad Asim
  
 
Coverage of the Trust Framework was minimal due to large numbers of questions on the base concept of Ontological-based system design.  Examples and more detail to be added to the presentation deck  
 
Coverage of the Trust Framework was minimal due to large numbers of questions on the base concept of Ontological-based system design.  Examples and more detail to be added to the presentation deck  
  
Tuesday Q2 No Quorum
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===Tuesday Q2===
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No Quorum
  
Tuesday Q3
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===Tuesday Q3===
  
 
Attendees:
 
Attendees:
Hideyuki Miyohara
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* David Pyke, Co-chair
William Jones
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*Hideyuki Miyohara
Alexander Mense
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*William Jones
Reinherd Egelkraut
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*Alexander Mense
Karl Wolzer(?)
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*Reinherd Egelkraut
Matthew Graham
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*Karl Wolzer(?)
John Moehrke
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*Matthew Graham
Frank Ploeg
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*John Moehrke
Gora Datta
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*Frank Ploeg
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*Gora Datta
  
 
*Mobile Health – cMHAFF update (Presentation deck to be attached)
 
*Mobile Health – cMHAFF update (Presentation deck to be attached)
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**Trust frameworks may be needed and calculated.  Adds social and environment aspects
 
**Trust frameworks may be needed and calculated.  Adds social and environment aspects
  
Tuesday Q4  
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===Tuesday Q4===
 
 
CBCC FHIR Consent Issues
 
  
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'''CBCC FHIR Consent Issues'''
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*FHIR Consent Issures
 
**Creation possibilities for ConsentRequest resource and mapping to handle use care for gaining treatment or other consent where not existing, across organisations
 
**Creation possibilities for ConsentRequest resource and mapping to handle use care for gaining treatment or other consent where not existing, across organisations
  
  
Wednesday Q2  
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===Wednesday Q2 ===
 
Attendees
 
Attendees
David Hay
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* David Pyke, Co-chair
Ardon Toonstra
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*David Hay
Alexander Henket
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*Ardon Toonstra
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*Alexander Henket
  
 
*FHIR Consent Comment Resolution
 
*FHIR Consent Comment Resolution
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**Discussed potential for source to link to physical location, awaiting use case to see if actually needed.  Potential to have location added to document reference or attachment type
 
**Discussed potential for source to link to physical location, awaiting use case to see if actually needed.  Potential to have location added to document reference or attachment type
  
Wednesday Q3 - No quorum
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===Wednesday Q3 ===
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No quorum
  
  
Wednesday Q4
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===Wednesday Q4===
 
Attendees
 
Attendees
John Moehrke
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* David Pyke, Co-chair
Marten Smits
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*John Moehrke
Ashley Duncan
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*Marten Smits
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*Ashley Duncan
  
FHIR Consent review
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'''FHIR Consent review'''
 
Reviewed comments:  
 
Reviewed comments:  
 
*12666 (Add Consent V2 mappings)  
 
*12666 (Add Consent V2 mappings)  

Latest revision as of 19:17, 20 June 2017

DRAFT 2017 May Working Group Meeting - Madrid, Spain - CBCC WORKING GROUP

Community Based Collaborative Care (CBCC) WORKING GROUP SESSIONS

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Agenda and Meeting Minutes

Day Date Qtr Time AGENDA ITEMS Session Leader Room
SUN MAY 07 Q1 9:00-10:30 No Meeting .
Q2 11:00-12:30 No Meeting .
Q3 1:45 -3:00 No Meeting .
Q4 3:30 -5:00 No Meeting .
MON MAY 08 Q1 9:00-10:30 No Meeting .
Q2 11:00-12:30 No Meeting .
Q3/ Q4 1:45 -3:00 / 3:30-5:00 @CBCC Joint CBCC-Security
  • Welcome and Introductions
  • Agenda Review
  1. Joint Project report out
  2. US and International Report out
    • Security and Privacy advancements since last WGM, informal/around the room

New Joint Project review, (if any)

  1. UPDATE Electronic Case Reporting - Steve Eichner
  2. Care Quality Point of Care Consent - John Moehrke, Joe Lamy
  3. FHIR Consent Directive work -- review of Treatment, Research and Advance Directive scope


NEW discussion items

  1. "Privilege Management and Access Control - A systems-oriented, architecture-centric, ontology-based and policy-driven approach to interoperability". - Bernd Blobel
  2. TC215/CEN TC251 Interoperability Reference Architecture Model - Bernd Blobel
  3. THEWS Trusted eHealth and eWelfare Space Report on current work: trust calculation and informed trust decisions

CBCC Room TBD
TUE MAY 09 Q1 9:00-10:30 No Meeting . .
Q2 11:00-12:30
  • Agenda Item: Treatment, Research and Advance Directive scope
  • Agenda Item: Possible circular reference design
CBCC Room TBD
Q3 1:45-3:00 @CBCC Joint w/Security, Mobile Health
  • Agenda Items: cMHAFF
CBCC Room TBD
Q4 3:30 - 5:00 @CBCC Joint w/FHIR Infrastructure
  • FHIR discussion
    • Treatment, Research and Advance Directive scope
    • STU3, STU4
. Room TBD
Q5 5:15-6:15 Birds of a Feather: . Room TBD
Q5 5:15-6:15 Birds of a Feather: . Room TBD
WED MAY 10 Q1 9:00-10:30 split-meeting @EHR Joint w/Security, CBCC, SOA, FHIR

See EHR Agenda for topics Electronic Health Records Hosting

EHR Hosting Room TBD
Q2 11:00-12:30 @CBCC Joint w/FHIR Infrastructure
  • Ballot Reconciliation
  • FHIR/FHIR Consent Discussion
CBCC Room TBD
Q3 1:45 -3:00
  • Co-chair administrative
  • next WGM agenda prep
CBCC Room TBD
Q4 3:30 -5:00
CBCC Room TBD
THU MAY 11 Q1 9:00-10:30 @Security Joint CBCC-Security
Q2 11:00-12:30 No Meeting .
Q3 1:45 - 3:00 No Meeting .
Q4 3:30 - 5:00 No Meeting .
FRI MAY 12 Q1 9:00-10:30 No Meeting .
Q2 11:00-12:30 No Meeting .
Q3 1:45 -3:00 No Meeting .
Q4 3:30 -5:00 No Meeting .

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Q1=9:00 – 10:30 am; Q2=11:00 – 12:30 pm; Q3=1:45 – 3:00 pm; Q4=3:30 – 5:00 pm

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2017 – CBCC Working Group Meeting, Madrid Spain

CBCC Monday Q3

Attendees:

  • David Pyke (david.pyke@readycomputing.com)
  • Danielle Friend (dfriend@epic.com)
  • Ardon Toonstra (a.Toonstra@furore.com
  • Trish Williams (patricia.williams@flinders.edu.au)
  • John Moehrke (johnmoehrke@gmail.com)
  • Alexander Mense (mense@technikum-wien.at)
  • Bernd Blobel (bernd.blobel@klinik.uni-regensburg.de)

Agenda: CBCC & Security Report Out International Report Out

CBCC Report Out

SPIA Continues to be stalled until Mike Davis or appointee can take over as editor

John Moehrke willing to be responsible for SPIA. Talk to Mike Davis to have it turned over or at least the most recent version submitted to the committee.

FHIR Consent

  • Consent to share as stable as possible
  • Advance Directive showing promise with several directives able to be covered without significant change
  • Research stalled without input from BRR. DP to visit BRR to gain attendees
  • Treatment in initial stages
  • Workflow to be covered this week with FHIR-I including potential for a ConsentRequest resource for gaining consent where none currently exists

Security Report out

  • Reconciliation of trust framework specification – taking place later – dynamically creating trust frameworks (possibly via policy)
  • Only defined trust elements and framework
  • Selection of policies

FHIR Security

  • Audit, Provenance, security labels Need test scenarios
  • Some open issues
  • Interest from use case regarding SUBSET regarding update
  • Two mechanisms – security tags and Summary
    • How will server know if the push is the result of a subset, that missing are not to be removed – potential for profile/dynamic profile to manage
  • How to request SUBSET (e.g., w/o gender or race)
    • If message with SUBSET, how would be dealt with
    • Redacted state for FHIR returned data
    • Purpose of use is potential use case
    • A profile that creates a subset is only one form of de-id, and that starts a bigger problem that may break profiles
  • FHIR Data model is limiting and causing profiles to break the model
    • ICT ontology should be examined as an issue (Bernd)
    • SMART on FHIR and Oauth are moving into HL7.
    • FHIR-I is hosting, but Security is asking for comment
    • Smart should not be seen as the one way.
    • Some constraints are in there but the meet only a subset of FHIR use-cases
    • Digital signature vocabulary only has ASTM as a source
    • Use ASTM to add to vocab despite ASTM no longer meeting or use HL7 vocabulary
    • DSG [IHE] is final text


International report out

Some work concluded regarding specifications

  • ISO25237 Health info Add to dictionary
    • Approved IS which has been published.
    • Accepted for use by EU parliament
    • Guidance on health information education
  • ISO 21298 HI Functional and structural Roles
    • Organizational relationships
    • Functional relationships
    • Global overview how assignments are in various countries
    • Includes international coding
  • PKI 17090 Part 5 using PKI creds – Launched by Japan
    • Completing the framework
    • Tooling underway
  • TC215 WG4 extended scope to new technology
    • Cloud – usage, risk assessment, frameworks
  • TS11633 Remote for medical devices (Japan)
    • Not ready for publication
    • Framework stated 2008, Published by TR.
  • Audit trail 27789 changed relationship with DICOM and HL7
    • DICOM passed audit trail proposal with part 16 with vocabulary fixes
    • Part 15 added patient record or codes same implementation model
    • Supplement 95 incorporated
    • System review attempted start to discuss ADA

CBCC Monday Q4 Presentation by Bernd Blobel on Ontology based standards and effect on current Trust Framework work by Security (to be attached, Kathleen video/audio recorded)

Attendees:

  • David Pyke, Co-chair
  • Ed Hammond
  • Hideyuki Miyohara
  • David Booth
  • Richard Esmark
  • Trish Williams
  • Alexander Mense
  • Mark Shafarman
  • Pat Van Dyke
  • Steve Hofnagel
  • Gora Datta
  • Bernd Blobel
  • Kathleen Connor
  • Stan Huff
  • Susan Matney
  • Galen Mulrooney
  • David Booth
  • Claude Nanjo
  • Lori Reed-Forquet
  • Nancy Orvis
  • Muhammad Asim

Coverage of the Trust Framework was minimal due to large numbers of questions on the base concept of Ontological-based system design. Examples and more detail to be added to the presentation deck

Tuesday Q2

No Quorum

Tuesday Q3

Attendees:

  • David Pyke, Co-chair
  • Hideyuki Miyohara
  • William Jones
  • Alexander Mense
  • Reinherd Egelkraut
  • Karl Wolzer(?)
  • Matthew Graham
  • John Moehrke
  • Frank Ploeg
  • Gora Datta
  • Mobile Health – cMHAFF update (Presentation deck to be attached)
    • 200,00 Consumer Heath Apps, 90% in question, 12% potentially deadly
    • MH looking for assistance on what to add for privacy/security
    • Consensus on who cMHAFF was for is missing. Large amounts are US only. It was moved back to the reliability and safety of exchanged data.
    • Mheath subset of the EU eHealth requested that MH stops work and moved to mHealth. All publication stopped.
    • Guidelines were considered suggestions for app developers entering the space. Consumer decides if they want to use the app.
    • Moving to a conceptual framework. Has an aspirational aspect for app development
    • Would like guidance for concepts and terms for risk assessment for privacy and security. What are the layers for best/moderate/minimal adherence
    • Certification standards exist, created with Privacy by Design, risk based security
    • App devs, users may not care when recommending
    • Trust frameworks may be needed and calculated. Adds social and environment aspects

Tuesday Q4

CBCC FHIR Consent Issues

  • FHIR Consent Issures
    • Creation possibilities for ConsentRequest resource and mapping to handle use care for gaining treatment or other consent where not existing, across organisations


Wednesday Q2

Attendees

  • David Pyke, Co-chair
  • David Hay
  • Ardon Toonstra
  • Alexander Henket
  • FHIR Consent Comment Resolution
  • Reviewed comments: 12666, 13313, 13358, 13360, 13361
    • Discussed potential for source to link to physical location, awaiting use case to see if actually needed. Potential to have location added to document reference or attachment type

Wednesday Q3

No quorum


Wednesday Q4

Attendees

  • David Pyke, Co-chair
  • John Moehrke
  • Marten Smits
  • Ashley Duncan

FHIR Consent review Reviewed comments:

  • 12666 (Add Consent V2 mappings)
    • Test mappings added. Further review at the Weekly meetings

13313 (Add note / comment to Consent)*

    • Awaiting use case
  • 13358 (Make Policy and PolicyRule a codeableconcept instead of URI)
    • Implementers confused by the two example links, recommended to change
    • Further review at Weekly meeting

13360 (Remove invariant “Either a Policy or PolicyRule”)

    • Unlikely due to requirement for consent. Further review required.

13361 (Add option to allow for specifying whether a consent was verified by the patient or his/her family))

    • Useful for all treatment and advanced directives
    • Voted to accept 13361 4-0-0