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| + | #** Restrict communication to modelling | ||
| + | #** As support of tools and ballots goes, so goes support of V3 modelling | ||
| + | #** Is there a need to push the onus on producing material out to the organizations creating it, with minimal HL7 International support? | ||
| + | #** How do we frame the message - i.e. this isn't the death of V3, and not FHIR vs V3. | ||
===What do we need to do=== | ===What do we need to do=== | ||
#* Develop a list of known 'keepers' | #* Develop a list of known 'keepers' | ||
#* Develop a list of standards in use? | #* Develop a list of standards in use? | ||
#** Include affiliates | #** Include affiliates | ||
| + | #* Expose artifacts and dependencies | ||
| + | #* Which artifacts do we need MIF? UML? HMD? | ||
#* Develop a plan to reaffirm or withdraw | #* Develop a plan to reaffirm or withdraw | ||
#** Withdraw means still a standard, but just not ANSI accredited | #** Withdraw means still a standard, but just not ANSI accredited | ||
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|colspan="2"|Constable Consulting Inc. | |colspan="2"|Constable Consulting Inc. | ||
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|colspan="2"| AEGIS | |colspan="2"| AEGIS | ||
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|colspan="2"|Mayo Clinic | |colspan="2"|Mayo Clinic | ||
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|colspan="2"| Pknapp Consulting | |colspan="2"| Pknapp Consulting | ||
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|colspan="2"| ICode Solutions | |colspan="2"| ICode Solutions | ||
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|colspan="2"|Accenture | |colspan="2"|Accenture | ||
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| + | |X|| Duteau, Jean | ||
| + | |colspan="2"| DDI | ||
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| + | |X|| McDaniel, MaryKay | ||
| + | |colspan="2"| Cognosante, LLC | ||
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| + | |X|| Murphy, Erin | ||
| + | |colspan="2"| Cognosante, LLC | ||
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==Minutes Thursday Q3== | ==Minutes Thursday Q3== | ||
| − | + | #Methodology | |
| − | + | #*Motion to approve pss for (Newborn Dried Blood Spot Screening Lab Order Component/ Implementation Guide) (Patrick/Lorraine) 3-0-0 | |
| − | + | #*Motion to make meeting joint with MnM (Lorraine/Patrick)3- 0-0 | |
| + | #*V3 discussion | ||
| + | #**What is 'V3'? | ||
| + | #***V3 messaging is RIM, DAMS, etc. | ||
| + | #***CDA is NOT V3 messaging, but based on RIM. | ||
| + | #**MnM Will do inventory of v3 products. | ||
| + | #***Withdraw unused/old content | ||
| + | #**What does it mean to publish a new V3 Domain? | ||
| + | #***Weak link is tooling. | ||
| + | #***Can refactor what it means. | ||
| + | #**We need to identify the customers for V3. | ||
| + | #**Focus on information gathering. | ||
| + | #**Tooling/Publishing of Lists/tools | ||
| + | #**Methodology needs revisiting - lessons from CDA and FHIR. | ||
| + | #***Why change the methodology? | ||
| + | #****Identify common things. | ||
| + | #****Each model has its own schema. | ||
| + | #***Lesson from CDA starts with constrained model. - CDA is being misused. | ||
| + | #***Are customers asking for a single schema. | ||
| + | #**Flaws in Methodology cause lack of new development | ||
| + | #**Sequoia/NHIN, SPL, Adverse event are using V3. | ||
| + | #**Static schemas were good | ||
| + | #**Connectathons are good. | ||
| + | #**Choice in schemas is good. | ||
| + | #**RIM ITS is a single schema. | ||
| + | #*Library activities | ||
| + | #*#List of artifacts from Lynn | ||
| + | #*#Which are the ones we care about (v3 Family) | ||
| + | #*#Ask workgroups for which we can withdraw/maintain. | ||
| + | #*#Determine the tooling requirements | ||
| + | #*#Determine alternative tools for essential artifacts. | ||
| + | #*#*Consider outsourcing - let 3rd party derive schemas. | ||
| + | #*#Why do we have 4 sets of data-types. | ||
| + | #*#*Can we fix it - organizational will. | ||
| + | #*#Conformance should be the same. | ||
| + | #Meeting Schedules | ||
| + | #*Madrid WGM | ||
| + | #**ARB/SGB Sunday Q3 | ||
| + | #**Mon Q2 ARB only - Impromptu joint if appropriate. | ||
| + | #**THU Q3 ARB only | ||
| + | #*Weekly conference calls | ||
| + | #**Continue 3:00 Eastern starting on 1/31/2017. | ||
| + | ===Todos=== | ||
| + | *Lorraine has notified Riki of ARB Approval | ||
| + | *Mario will try to find the missing content from http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=SAIF_Artifact_Definition_Project | ||
| + | *MnM will look at those mapping from V3 into FHIR with problems with data-type variations. | ||
[[Category:2016 Arb Minutes]][[Category:2017 Arb Minutes]] | [[Category:2016 Arb Minutes]][[Category:2017 Arb Minutes]] | ||
Latest revision as of 22:34, 19 January 2017
Contents
2017 January WGM SanAntonio
Sunday Q3 with SGB
Sunday Q5 with TSC
Monday Q2
- Maverick A
- V3 Support Discussion ARB Joint with interested parties:
Thursday Q3
- PSS for LOI
- Planning based on Monday Q2 V3 Discussion
- Things that came up this week.
- Other business and planning
- Open issues
- Agenda until next WGM.
- When do we meet next WGM?
- Adjournment
Minutes
Meeting Information Monday Q2
| HL7 ArB/MnM Work Group Meeting Minutes Location: Maverick-A, Hyatt Riverwalk, San Antonio, TX, US |
Date: 20170116 Time: 11:00am U.S. Eastern | |||
| Facilitator | Duteau, Jean/Constable, Lorraine | Note taker(s) | Julian, Tony | |
| Attendee | Name | Affiliation | ||
| R | Bond,Andy | NEHTA | ||
| . | Constable, Lorraine | Constable Consulting Inc. | ||
| . | Hyland, Mario | AEGIS | ||
| . | Julian, Tony | Mayo Clinic | ||
| . | Knapp, Paul | Pknapp Consulting | ||
| . | Kubick, Wayne | HL7 CTO | ||
| . | Loyd, Patrick | ICode Solutions | ||
| . | Lynch, Cecil | Accenture | ||
| R | Milosevic, Zoran | Deontik Pty Ltd | ||
| R | Stechishin,Andy | CANA Software and Service Ltd. | ||
| Guests | ||||
| . | Nelson, Dale | Accenture | ||
| . | Grow, Richard | U.S. Department of Veterans affairs | ||
| . | ||||
| Legend | ||||
| X | Present | |||
| . | Absent | |||
| R | Regrets | |||
| Quorum Requirements (Co-chair + 3) Met: Yes | ||||
Minutes Monday Q2
- Call to Order
- Future of V3 in HL7 - Jean Duteau
- Jean introduced the topic.
- Review Thursday Q5
- Jean will send a report to Wayne Kubrick & Ken McCaslin
- Statement of Problem
- Number of v3 artifacts being balloted is significantly reducint
- Modeling landscape has changed
- Huge focus on FHIR
- ONC has adopted C-CDA as a standard for exchange
- Expert V3 knowledge will diminish over time
- Tooling has external outdated technology dependencies, supported by volunteers
- M&M is struggling to support the foundation
- Number of v3 artifacts being balloted is significantly reducint
- Catalog of artifacts
- Current STU
- Specifications
- Implementation guides e.g. terminfo
- Standards
- Current Balloted
- Standards
- DAMS
- Implementation guides
- Tooling artifacts
- RMIM Designer (Dale says 2013 works)
- Rosetree
- V3 PubDb Access Based
- V3 Generator - ANT/XSLT
- V3 Publishing
- Current STU
- Support Requirements
- Foundational Artifacts
- RIM
- Datatypes
- Vocabulary
- Core principles R2 balloted but in limbo, R3 started, but stopped do to lack of volunteers
- MIF based
- PC is looking at changes to negation indicators
- MIF Changes - EST can support
- V3 Tooling
- RMIM Designer - relies on Visio(dale says 2013 works)
- Rosetree
- V3 PubDb Access Based
- V3 Generator - ANT/XSLT
- Bound together with twine and duct-tape
- V3 Publishing - needed to build ballot, STU and Normative V3 domains
- Risk Areas:
- What if a RIM structure change was requested?
- Change RIM UML
- Update RIM Core Mifs
- Support for Normative and STU standards.
- Published and support needs are minimal
- Ned to keep Foundational artifacts as Normative, e.e Extensions and re-affirmations as required
- Questions
- Do any non-foundational Standards need updates?
- CDA and Common Product model need updates
- RIM Normative Edition Balloting - how often do these need to happen?
- Do any non-foundational Standards need updates?
- Hugh- to what extent do we need to keep normative. Do we need to do reaffirmation?
- Wayne - we plan to remove the ANSI logo
- Mead - need to know what is being used. The users may want changes to content.
- Paul - may need updates to new needs.
- Jean - need to know what is in use. Reaffirmation is trivial.
- Questions
- Foundational Artifacts
- Communication
- Realistic Status -
- Restrict communication to modelling
- As support of tools and ballots goes, so goes support of V3 modelling
- Is there a need to push the onus on producing material out to the organizations creating it, with minimal HL7 International support?
- How do we frame the message - i.e. this isn't the death of V3, and not FHIR vs V3.
What do we need to do
- Develop a list of known 'keepers'
- Develop a list of standards in use?
- Include affiliates
- Expose artifacts and dependencies
- Which artifacts do we need MIF? UML? HMD?
- Develop a plan to reaffirm or withdraw
- Withdraw means still a standard, but just not ANSI accredited
Meeting Information Thursday Q3
| HL7 ArB Work Group Meeting Minutes Location: Garden Terrace #135, Hyatt Riverwalk, San Antonio, TX, US |
Date: 20170119 Time: 3:00pm U.S. Eastern | |||
| Facilitator | Julian, Tony | Note taker(s) | Julian, Tony | |
| Attendee | Name | Affiliation | ||
| R | Bond,Andy | NEHTA | ||
| X | Constable, Lorraine | Constable Consulting Inc. | ||
| X | Hyland, Mario | AEGIS | ||
| X | Julian, Tony | Mayo Clinic | ||
| X | Knapp, Paul | Pknapp Consulting | ||
| . | Kubick, Wayne | HL7 CTO | ||
| X | Loyd, Patrick | ICode Solutions | ||
| R | Lynch, Cecil | Accenture | ||
| R | Milosevic, Zoran | Deontik Pty Ltd | ||
| R | Stechishin,Andy | CANA Software and Service Ltd. | ||
| Guests | ||||
| X | Shakir, Abdul-Malik | HI3 | ||
| X | Duteau, Jean | DDI | ||
| X | McDaniel, MaryKay | Cognosante, LLC | ||
| X | Murphy, Erin | Cognosante, LLC | ||
| X | Baker, J.D. | Sparx Systems | ||
| X | Walker, D. Mead | Mead Walker Consulting | ||
| . | ||||
| Legend | ||||
| X | Present | |||
| . | Absent | |||
| R | Regrets | |||
| Quorum Requirements (Co-chair + 3) Met: Yes | ||||
Minutes Thursday Q3
- Methodology
- Motion to approve pss for (Newborn Dried Blood Spot Screening Lab Order Component/ Implementation Guide) (Patrick/Lorraine) 3-0-0
- Motion to make meeting joint with MnM (Lorraine/Patrick)3- 0-0
- V3 discussion
- What is 'V3'?
- V3 messaging is RIM, DAMS, etc.
- CDA is NOT V3 messaging, but based on RIM.
- MnM Will do inventory of v3 products.
- Withdraw unused/old content
- What does it mean to publish a new V3 Domain?
- Weak link is tooling.
- Can refactor what it means.
- We need to identify the customers for V3.
- Focus on information gathering.
- Tooling/Publishing of Lists/tools
- Methodology needs revisiting - lessons from CDA and FHIR.
- Why change the methodology?
- Identify common things.
- Each model has its own schema.
- Lesson from CDA starts with constrained model. - CDA is being misused.
- Are customers asking for a single schema.
- Why change the methodology?
- Flaws in Methodology cause lack of new development
- Sequoia/NHIN, SPL, Adverse event are using V3.
- Static schemas were good
- Connectathons are good.
- Choice in schemas is good.
- RIM ITS is a single schema.
- What is 'V3'?
- Library activities
- List of artifacts from Lynn
- Which are the ones we care about (v3 Family)
- Ask workgroups for which we can withdraw/maintain.
- Determine the tooling requirements
- Determine alternative tools for essential artifacts.
- Consider outsourcing - let 3rd party derive schemas.
- Why do we have 4 sets of data-types.
- Can we fix it - organizational will.
- Conformance should be the same.
- Meeting Schedules
- Madrid WGM
- ARB/SGB Sunday Q3
- Mon Q2 ARB only - Impromptu joint if appropriate.
- THU Q3 ARB only
- Weekly conference calls
- Continue 3:00 Eastern starting on 1/31/2017.
- Madrid WGM
Todos
- Lorraine has notified Riki of ARB Approval
- Mario will try to find the missing content from http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=SAIF_Artifact_Definition_Project
- MnM will look at those mapping from V3 into FHIR with problems with data-type variations.
