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#Agenda review | #Agenda review | ||
#Approve previous meeting minutes [[2016-11-10_Patient_Care_FHIR_Call]] | #Approve previous meeting minutes [[2016-11-10_Patient_Care_FHIR_Call]] | ||
| − | #*'''Motion:''' | + | #*'''Motion:''' Stephen/Joe |
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# gForge change request | # gForge change request | ||
| + | #* Updated timelines and backlog review | ||
| + | #* Discuss/vote on pre-applied changes (including a few proposed revised resolutions) | ||
| + | #* Discuss Clem's in person tracker items | ||
| + | #* Decide whether to spend remaining time on allergy or care plan (both will be used by IGs balloting in the January ballot, so today is the *last* day to resolve changes for the Jan ballot) | ||
==Supporting Information== | ==Supporting Information== | ||
====STU 3 Timeline==== | ====STU 3 Timeline==== | ||
From [[FHIR_Ballot_Prep]] | From [[FHIR_Ballot_Prep]] | ||
| − | * Sun | + | * Sun. Nov. 27 Ballot substantive resource freeze (prioritize resources that IGs will be based on) |
| − | ** | + | * Sun. Dec. 4 Ballot total freeze |
| − | *Sun | + | * Sun. Dec. 9 (or a day or two earlier) Freeze released - all changes allowed |
| − | + | * Sun. Feb. 5 Ballot reconciliation deadline - All ballot comments must be reconciled, tracker issue report must be clean | |
| − | * Sun | + | * Sun. Feb. 19 Publication substantive resource freeze |
| − | + | * Sun. Feb 26 Publication total freeze | |
| − | * Sun | + | * Mon. Feb 27 QA period opens |
| − | ** | + | * Tue. Feb 28 FMM QA spreadsheet updated for all WG resources |
| − | * Sun | + | * Sun. Mar. 13 QA period closes |
| − | * | + | * Sun. Mar. 20 All QA applied |
| − | + | The "following week" STU 3 is published! | |
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====FHIR Maturity Levels==== | ====FHIR Maturity Levels==== | ||
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=== gForge Change Requests === | === gForge Change Requests === | ||
====FHIR Publication / Backlog Status==== | ====FHIR Publication / Backlog Status==== | ||
| − | * 44 unresolved tracker items (39 ballot + 5 high maturity resource non-ballot comments) | + | * 44 unresolved tracker items (39 ballot + 5 high maturity resource non-ballot comments) |
** 18 requested input from vocab (value set related ballot comments) | ** 18 requested input from vocab (value set related ballot comments) | ||
| − | ** | + | ** 7 waiting for input |
** 5 waiting to be scheduled (joint with OO or in person requests) | ** 5 waiting to be scheduled (joint with OO or in person requests) | ||
| − | ** | + | ** 14 ready for discussion during our weekly conference call |
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| + | * 24 Resolved - Change Request tracker items | ||
| + | ** 20 ballot or high maturity resource (+ 4 non-ballot, non-priority resource) | ||
| + | ** 9 are substantive (+ 15 are non-substantive) | ||
| + | *** 5 related to new extensions/profiles | ||
| + | *** 2 workflow patterns | ||
| + | *** 1 is pre-applied pending revised resolution | ||
| + | *** 1 populate structure | ||
====In Person (Pending Schedule) ==== | ====In Person (Pending Schedule) ==== | ||
In Person Requests -- in the process of being scheduled | In Person Requests -- in the process of being scheduled | ||
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* http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=12090 Rename goal attribute | * http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=12090 Rename goal attribute | ||
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** Our resolution conflicts with the FHIR GA guidelines 4e that say when constraining to the "code" data type, “ensure all codes are mutually exclusive or are defined in a proper hierarchy where siblings are mutually exclusive” – since the value set binding is required and cardinality is 0..*, the value set is neither mutually exclusive, nor defined in a proper hierarchy | ** Our resolution conflicts with the FHIR GA guidelines 4e that say when constraining to the "code" data type, “ensure all codes are mutually exclusive or are defined in a proper hierarchy where siblings are mutually exclusive” – since the value set binding is required and cardinality is 0..*, the value set is neither mutually exclusive, nor defined in a proper hierarchy | ||
| − | ==== Discussed | + | ==== Discussed ==== |
| + | Condition | ||
| + | * PREAPPLIED (proposed revised resolution): http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10554 - invariant updated with clarification added for abatementString - resolved | ||
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| + | Questionnaire/QuestionnaireResponse | ||
| + | * PREAPPLIED (proposed revised resolution): http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10429 - revert back QuestionnaireResponse.questionnaire to be a reference (not uri) per https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/implementers/topic/QuestionnaireResponse - resolved | ||
| + | ** Per Grahame, you can put a canonical URL on a contained resource, but now you have to make it unique. And also, you can't make it contained anymore, because there's no reference to it | ||
| + | ** Per Lloyd, There's no need for URI. (URI is needed on value set because you want to be able to point to web pages for things like language codes and mime types, but it makes no sense to support that for Questionnaire.) | ||
| + | * PREAPPLIED (proposed revised resolution): http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11003 - update resolution per Zulip chat with Brian Postlethwaite to include Questionnaire.item.initial clarification in comments: "The user is allowed to change the value and override the default (unless marked as read-only). If the user doesn't change the value, then this initial value will be persisted when the QuestionnaireResponse is initially created" - resolved | ||
| + | ** Per Brian, rendered to me implies view only, not storage | ||
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| + | CarePlan | ||
| + | * PREAPPLIED: http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=12341 Make careplan.subject 1..1 - resolved | ||
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| + | Clem McDonald In Person | ||
| + | * http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11281 Overall Condition.clinicalStatus and Condition.verificationStatus Condition body site - Clem McDonald - resolved | ||
| + | * http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11290 clinical impression and condition - Clem McDonald withdrew | ||
| + | * http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11288 reporting impressions as observations - Clem McDonald - PC added comments that OO/Eric will address via Observation boundaries | ||
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| + | AllergyIntolerance | ||
| + | * http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11021 Increase cardinality of substance and make certainty relation to substance not reaction - 2016-09 core #40 (Jay Lyle) -- Discussed - no resolution yet | ||
==== Backlog - Ready to Discuss in Subsequent Calls ==== | ==== Backlog - Ready to Discuss in Subsequent Calls ==== | ||
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CarePlan / Goal | CarePlan / Goal | ||
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* http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11116 Better define the careplan.activity.outcome field - discussion occurred during the CarePlan (Wed, Oct 26) conference call. PCWG agreed that outcome is needed on both the activity and goal. For example, a goal of losing 20 pounds might include activities to 1) reduce caloric intake via diet and 2)exercise 30 minutes per day. The outcome associated with the weight loss goal might be an observation with the updated body weight whereas the outcome on the activity side might be the number of calories burned via exercise or calories consumed via diet. Next steps: | * http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11116 Better define the careplan.activity.outcome field - discussion occurred during the CarePlan (Wed, Oct 26) conference call. PCWG agreed that outcome is needed on both the activity and goal. For example, a goal of losing 20 pounds might include activities to 1) reduce caloric intake via diet and 2)exercise 30 minutes per day. The outcome associated with the weight loss goal might be an observation with the updated body weight whereas the outcome on the activity side might be the number of calories burned via exercise or calories consumed via diet. Next steps: | ||
** expand/clarify the outcome definitions on both the activity and goal. | ** expand/clarify the outcome definitions on both the activity and goal. | ||
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=== Adjourn === | === Adjourn === | ||
| − | Adjourned at | + | Adjourned at 6:45pm Eastern. |
==Meeting Outcomes== | ==Meeting Outcomes== | ||
Latest revision as of 23:54, 17 November 2016
Meeting Information
| Patient Care FHIR Resources Conference Call Location: Conference Call |
Date: 2016-MM-DD Time: 5-6:30pm ET | ||
| Facilitator | Michelle M Miller | Note taker(s) | Michelle M Miller |
| Attendee | Name | Affiliation
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| X | Elaine Ayres | NIH/Department of Clinical Research Informatics | |
| X | Stephen Chu | ||
| Danielle Friend | Epic | ||
| X | Eric Haas | Haas Consulting | |
| Rob Hausam | Hausam Consulting LLC | ||
| Laura Heermann-Langford | Intermountain Healthcare | ||
| Emma Jones | Allscripts | ||
| X | Russ Leftwich | InterSystems | |
| Tony Little | Optum 360 | ||
| Jay Lyle | Ockham Information Services LLC, VA | ||
| Sarah Maulden | VA | ||
| Hank Mayers | ReliaTech Consulting | ||
| Jim McClay | Univ of Nebraska Medical Center | ||
| Russell McDonell | Telstra Health | ||
| Lloyd McKenzie | Gevity (HL7 Canada) | ||
| Larry McKnight | Cerner | ||
| X | Michelle M Miller | Cerner | |
| Lisa Nelson | Life Over Time Solutions | ||
| Viet Nguyen | Lockheed Martin, Systems Made Simple | ||
| M'Lynda Owens | Cognosante | ||
| Craig Parker | Intermountain Healthcare | ||
| Scott Robertson | Kaiser Permanente | ||
| Simon Sum | Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics | ||
| Iona Thraen | Dept of Veterans Affairs | ||
| X | Clem McDonald | National Library of Medicine | |
| X | Joe Quinn | Optum | |
| X | Ian Bull | Optum | |
| Quorum Requirements Met: yes | |||
Agenda
Agenda Topics
- Agenda review
- Approve previous meeting minutes 2016-11-10_Patient_Care_FHIR_Call
- Motion: Stephen/Joe
- gForge change request
- Updated timelines and backlog review
- Discuss/vote on pre-applied changes (including a few proposed revised resolutions)
- Discuss Clem's in person tracker items
- Decide whether to spend remaining time on allergy or care plan (both will be used by IGs balloting in the January ballot, so today is the *last* day to resolve changes for the Jan ballot)
Supporting Information
STU 3 Timeline
From FHIR_Ballot_Prep
- Sun. Nov. 27 Ballot substantive resource freeze (prioritize resources that IGs will be based on)
- Sun. Dec. 4 Ballot total freeze
- Sun. Dec. 9 (or a day or two earlier) Freeze released - all changes allowed
- Sun. Feb. 5 Ballot reconciliation deadline - All ballot comments must be reconciled, tracker issue report must be clean
- Sun. Feb. 19 Publication substantive resource freeze
- Sun. Feb 26 Publication total freeze
- Mon. Feb 27 QA period opens
- Tue. Feb 28 FMM QA spreadsheet updated for all WG resources
- Sun. Mar. 13 QA period closes
- Sun. Mar. 20 All QA applied
The "following week" STU 3 is published!
FHIR Maturity Levels
[1] Level 3 requires the artifact has been verified by the work group as meeting the DSTU_2_QA_guidelines and has been subject to a round of formal balloting; has at least 10 implementer comments recorded in the tracker drawn from at least 3 organizations resulting in at least one substantive change
| Resource |
Current FMM Level | Goal FMM Level | QA Status | QA Reviewer | Implementation | Comments |
| AllergyIntolerance | 1 | 3 | Michelle | Argonaut | ||
| Condition | 2 | 3 | Michelle | Argonaut | ||
| Procedure | 1 | 3 | Michelle | Argonaut | ||
| CarePlan | 1 | 3 | Michelle | Argonaut | ||
| Goal | 1 | 3 | Michelle | |||
| QuestionnaireResponse | 2 | 2 | Lloyd | Lloyd will QA to get to level 3 | ||
| Questionnaire | 0 | 2 | Lloyd | Lloyd will QA to get to level 3 | ||
| CareTeam | 0 | 2 | NA | Michelle | Aggressive goal (e.g. whether we'll get the implementations needed) | |
| FamilyMemberHistory | 1 | 2 | NA | NA | Aggressive goal (e.g. whether we'll get the implementations needed) | |
| ClinicalImpression | 0 | 1 | NA | NA | ||
| ReferralRequest | 1 | 1 | NA | NA | ||
| ProcedureRequest | 1 | 1 | NA | NA | ||
| Linkage | 0 | 1 | NA | NA | ||
| Flag | 1 | 1 | NA | NA | ||
| Communication | 1 | 1 | NA | NA | ||
| CommunicationRequest | 1 | 1 | NA | NA |
Note: Bold denotes top 20 resource based on survey
Note: Contraindication and Risk Assessment are owned by CDS, not Patient Care
Minutes
Prior Action Item Follow-up
gForge Change Requests
FHIR Publication / Backlog Status
- 44 unresolved tracker items (39 ballot + 5 high maturity resource non-ballot comments)
- 18 requested input from vocab (value set related ballot comments)
- 7 waiting for input
- 5 waiting to be scheduled (joint with OO or in person requests)
- 14 ready for discussion during our weekly conference call
- 24 Resolved - Change Request tracker items
- 20 ballot or high maturity resource (+ 4 non-ballot, non-priority resource)
- 9 are substantive (+ 15 are non-substantive)
- 5 related to new extensions/profiles
- 2 workflow patterns
- 1 is pre-applied pending revised resolution
- 1 populate structure
In Person (Pending Schedule)
In Person Requests -- in the process of being scheduled
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=12090 Rename goal attribute
Joint with OO -- in the process of being scheduled
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11026 Relationship between Condition and Observation - 2016-09 core #45 (Jay Lyle)
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11119 Differentiate ProcedureRequest and DiagnosticRequest and align their elements - 2016-09 core #273 (Danielle Friend)
Feedback on prior resolutions - may need to revisit when Rob McClure can attend.
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11354 - add extension for condition findings
- Resolution is inconsistent -- a terminology service would still need to extract out the substance from the product codes
- In some jurisdictions, like the UK, the use of the condition codes is very much in the 80% (closer to 100%)
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11352 - category cardinality
- Do 80% of systems support multiple categories?
- Our resolution conflicts with the FHIR GA guidelines 4e that say when constraining to the "code" data type, “ensure all codes are mutually exclusive or are defined in a proper hierarchy where siblings are mutually exclusive” – since the value set binding is required and cardinality is 0..*, the value set is neither mutually exclusive, nor defined in a proper hierarchy
Discussed
Condition
- PREAPPLIED (proposed revised resolution): http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10554 - invariant updated with clarification added for abatementString - resolved
Questionnaire/QuestionnaireResponse
- PREAPPLIED (proposed revised resolution): http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10429 - revert back QuestionnaireResponse.questionnaire to be a reference (not uri) per https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/implementers/topic/QuestionnaireResponse - resolved
- Per Grahame, you can put a canonical URL on a contained resource, but now you have to make it unique. And also, you can't make it contained anymore, because there's no reference to it
- Per Lloyd, There's no need for URI. (URI is needed on value set because you want to be able to point to web pages for things like language codes and mime types, but it makes no sense to support that for Questionnaire.)
- PREAPPLIED (proposed revised resolution): http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11003 - update resolution per Zulip chat with Brian Postlethwaite to include Questionnaire.item.initial clarification in comments: "The user is allowed to change the value and override the default (unless marked as read-only). If the user doesn't change the value, then this initial value will be persisted when the QuestionnaireResponse is initially created" - resolved
- Per Brian, rendered to me implies view only, not storage
CarePlan
- PREAPPLIED: http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=12341 Make careplan.subject 1..1 - resolved
Clem McDonald In Person
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11281 Overall Condition.clinicalStatus and Condition.verificationStatus Condition body site - Clem McDonald - resolved
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11290 clinical impression and condition - Clem McDonald withdrew
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11288 reporting impressions as observations - Clem McDonald - PC added comments that OO/Eric will address via Observation boundaries
AllergyIntolerance
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11021 Increase cardinality of substance and make certainty relation to substance not reaction - 2016-09 core #40 (Jay Lyle) -- Discussed - no resolution yet
Backlog - Ready to Discuss in Subsequent Calls
Resources with higher maturity - target FMM Level 3
AllergyIntolerance
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11021 Increase cardinality of substance and make certainty relation to substance not reaction - 2016-09 core #40 (Jay Lyle) -- Deferred
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11155 Unclear how the negation value set will work - 2016-09 core #309 (Stephen Chu)
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=12177 Review/expand the AllergyIntolerance.criticality valueset (Mohannad Hammadeh)
CarePlan / Goal
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11116 Better define the careplan.activity.outcome field - discussion occurred during the CarePlan (Wed, Oct 26) conference call. PCWG agreed that outcome is needed on both the activity and goal. For example, a goal of losing 20 pounds might include activities to 1) reduce caloric intake via diet and 2)exercise 30 minutes per day. The outcome associated with the weight loss goal might be an observation with the updated body weight whereas the outcome on the activity side might be the number of calories burned via exercise or calories consumed via diet. Next steps:
- expand/clarify the outcome definitions on both the activity and goal.
- harmonize the outcome structure to allow the activity to reference an observation (like the goal outcome allows)
- bind the outcome codeableconcepts to value sets
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=12090 Rename goal attribute (in person?)
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11344 Allow CarePlan.activity.detail.performer to be CareTeam - 2016-09 core #502 (Emma Jones) -- pulled from block vote
Condition
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10635 QA 5a: Resource references exist in both directions for Condition and ClinicalImpression (Michelle Miller)
Procedure
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11162 Suggest include reference to remedial treatment(s) - 2016-09 core #316 (Stephen Chu)
Questionnaire / QuestionnaireResponse
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=12315 Additional Status Code for QuestionnaireResponse 'Not Complete'
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10998 Questionnaire.concept -> Questionnaire.code and update definitions - 2016-09 sdc #64 (Stephen Chu)
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=12186 Proposed Changes to Questionnaire / Questionnaire Response from Tuesday evening discussion (Grahame Grieve)
Care Team
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11342 - Add CareTeam.relatedTeam or other composition relationship - 2016-09 core #500
- DAF - http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10715 Add entered in error to valueset-daf-careteam-status (Michelle Miller) - related to http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10725, which is part of the Vocab set to review
ProcedureRequest
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=9335 Orders to not do things (Emma Jones)
FamilyMemberHistory List
- http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/fhir/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=11139 - Genetic Pedigree profile - 2016-09 core #293
Adjourn
Adjourned at 6:45pm Eastern.
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