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=Background=
 
=Background=
 
Out of several projects over here the question came up: Is there a
 
Out of several projects over here the question came up: Is there a
recommended way in HL7 to say that it is unknown whether
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''recommended'' way in HL7 to say that it is '''unknown''' whether
Procedure or act X occurred (or is planned) or that a specific problem is
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* Procedure or Act X occurred (or is planned) or that
unknown?
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* A specific problem is unknown
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* A Procedure or Act is not done?
  
 
I saw different approaches and would like to hear what can recommended to
 
I saw different approaches and would like to hear what can recommended to
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==Lloyd==
 
==Lloyd==
The Act.uncertaintyCode is probably the best way
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Unknown: The Act.uncertaintyCode is probably the best way.
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==Kai==
 
==Kai==
…is one option I saw… Personally I am not convinced that expressing
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Act.uncertaintyCode is one option I saw… Personally I am not convinced that expressing
 
"unknown" and "unsure" is the always the same.
 
"unknown" and "unsure" is the always the same.
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==Gaby, Keith==
 
==Gaby, Keith==
 
Per consolidated CDA, I believe what you are saying would be
 
Per consolidated CDA, I believe what you are saying would be

Revision as of 15:32, 16 January 2013

Background

Out of several projects over here the question came up: Is there a recommended way in HL7 to say that it is unknown whether

  • Procedure or Act X occurred (or is planned) or that
  • A specific problem is unknown
  • A Procedure or Act is not done?

I saw different approaches and would like to hear what can recommended to the HL7 community.

So far

Condensed conversations so far

Lloyd

Unknown: The Act.uncertaintyCode is probably the best way.

Kai

Act.uncertaintyCode is one option I saw… Personally I am not convinced that expressing "unknown" and "unsure" is the always the same.

Gaby, Keith

Per consolidated CDA, I believe what you are saying would be

<entry>
  <substanceAdministration moodCode="EVN" classCode="SBADM" nullFlavor="NI">
  <text>I do not know whether or not patient received an anticoagulant drug</text>
  <consumable>
    <manufacturedProduct>
      <manufacturedLabeledDrug>
      <code code="81839001" displayName="anticoagulant drug" codeSystem="2.16.840.1.113883.6.96" codeSystemName="SNOMED CT"/>
      ...

More

Use actionNegationInd. Unfortunately actionNegationInd is immutable and thus a structural attribute. Again you cannot use it to express a null flavor here. It is unavailable in CDA R2, too.

Seeking for recommendations

This should work for CDA R2, "old style V3" (as long as we have DSTUs or standards in this state) and new V3 messaging. This would not necessarily mean one solution if not possible (e.g. introduction of actionNegationInd which isn't present in CDA R2).

I am seeking for a "strong" recommendation from InM.