20140820 FMG concall

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HL7 TSC FMG Meeting Minutes

Location:
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/279790597

(voice and screen)

Date: 2014-08-20
Time: 1:00 PM U.S. Eastern
Chair: Lloyd Note taker(s): Lynn
Quorum = chair + 4 yes/no
Co chairs x David Hay x Lloyd McKenzie
ex-officio Woody Beeler,
Dave Shaver
FGB Co-chairs
. John Quinn, CTO
Members Members Members Observers/Guests
x Hans Buitendijk x Hugh Glover x Paul Knapp x Lynn Laakso, scribe
x Josh Mandel x John Moehrke x Brian Pech
.

Agenda

  • Roll Call
  • Agenda Check
  • Minutes from 20140806_FMG_concall, notes from 20140813_FMG_concall
  • Administrative
    • Action items
      • Andy will take a look at the security fix on the objective C reference implementation (Lloyd will poke him again)
      • Hans will review the list for Liaison responsibility review/ transfer from Lorraine to identify some with whom he can swap as there are some of Lorraine's he's not interested in.
      • check that RP’s for current proposal have correct owner and approve as block. (David)
  • Discussion
    • Update on DSTU Update
    • Review comments on FHIR_Balloting_Considerations - Policy statement on pre-DSTU draft for comment ballot rounds for development materials
    • long term maintenance of reference implementations by the "FHIR Project" (re: javascript implementation security fixes in open source)
    • Vendor consultation process (email thread)
    • Connectathon management (David/Brian)
    • FGB
    • MnM –
    • FMG Liaisons
  • Process management
  • AOB (Any Other Business)

Minutes

Convened at 12:37 PM by Lloyd

  • Agenda Check; David moves second Paul as published. Unanimously approved.
  • Minutes from 20140806_FMG_concall, Paul moves and David seconds approval; unanimously approved. notes from 20140813_FMG_concall no quorum
  • Hans and Josh arrive
  • Administrative
    • Action items
      • Andy will take a look at the security fix on the objective C reference implementation (Lloyd will poke him again)
      • Hans will review the list for Liaison responsibility review/ transfer from Lorraine to identify some with whom he can swap as there are some of Lorraine's he's not interested in.
      • check that RP’s for current proposal have correct owner and approve as block. (David)
  • Discussion
    • Update on DSTU Update - Paul will review on healthintersections.com.au
      • This is the draft DSTU update for final FMG approval. it includes the following changes:
        • updated license
        • updated reference implementations
        • updated history entry for the license
      • FGB/TSC recommended using errata publication process as the license change is a technical correction
      • Josh asks if the reference implementation changes are breaking changes especially to library compatibility; the history file should contain more details on the changes to the reference implementations. Pages at http://www.healthintersections.com.au/fhir/history.html and https://github.com/hl7-fhir/fhir-dstu1/commits/master reviewed. Lloyd notes the reference implementations are not a formal part of the specification. Josh asks if we even cite there were bug fixes but no breaking changes that is specific enough.
      • Paul would like to see a history page pointer to say it is bug fixes and no breaking changes or an iteration of breaking changes, with recommendation going forward a separate page to track changes to reference implementations.
      • With that change, Paul moves publication contingent on changes discussed; seconded by John. Unanimously approved; Lloyd will send confirmation to Lynn who will update the publication request to indicate errata instead of DSTU update and forward to JohnQ. Thus the DSTU release numbering would not change to 1.2. If the licensing change indicated variation in how users can use the product it would be a significant change but this is just change to legalese approach.
  • Hugh joins.
    • Review comments on FHIR_Balloting_Considerations - Policy statement on pre-DSTU draft for comment ballot rounds for development materials was added in Rules #3 for Draft: "In rare cases, the FMG may approve a "draft" publication if required for regulatory purposes."
      • Discussion ensued on changes versus adding new stuff in the Rationale section there regarding inter-version compatibility. Where in the specification do we document the forward- and backward-compatibility rules for normative content? Lloyd can't put his finger on it right now but he's seen it. They have stated they will not change the path to anything in a normative resource.
      • Lloyd asserts that they will not move something added in an extension to core. May need to include a placeholder to indicate that further definition of "what is ready for normative" will include. We have necessary but not sufficient and we don't know what sufficient means yet. We want to have the bar pretty high, but are folks happy with the bar as high as it is now? Clarify the number of countries or independent settings using a profile or a resource, not the entire FHIR specification. ACTION ITEM: Lloyd will work on that clarification
      • Further discussion on regulatory requirements for citation of standards and how that works with DSTU vs normative. Deliberate slowing of availability of material publication to regulators to ensure quality specification will also be a barrier to adoption by regulators. Education to regulators and implementers on use of DSTU reviewed.
      • John asks about FHIR core and resources balloting as single package - what is not included? FHIR IGs are separate. Some profiles are balloted as part of FHIR core some as part of IGs. Why would a profile ballot by itself? Some resources will remain DSTU while others go normative, as well. Continue review by email and seek conclusion next week.

Adjourned 2:01 PM

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